Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Would we be better off with a constant number of legal sets?

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Lawman said:
One issue with yoshi's idea is the PTOs and TOs having to explain to Little Johnnie or Jane's Mom & Dad that cards that were legal at the last tourney may not be legal at this level tourney....and do this after every level change of events! Think about it....before CCs, we got a new set. Before States, we will get a new set. With 4 sets a yr and similar changes in tourneys, the field is in flux already. IMO, it is easier to tell parents (as a PTO) that these sets are legal now, we will add X # of sets before Worlds and then there will be a rotation at ONE time, not thoughout the year.

Keith
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QFT.
 
yoshi1001 said:
You mean Wurmple, right?

Sorry.

I'm kinda surprised that there's so much resistance to a change like this, given the amount of griping about a lack of depth in the format. :wink:
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I think the lack of depth is worth keeping organized play organized. In an ideal world where every player is well informed, I might be inclined to agree to this, but there's enough problems getting players used to the format right now. In Western Washington, we already have several completely new leagues, with a growing player base that only uses unlimited cards. There just seems to be a lot of returning players that are interested in playing, but are still trying to orientate themselves to the newer expansions. If we implemented something like this, it would just be too many problems. I'd be pretty annoyed if I spent 50 dollars on Holon Phantoms cards right before a major tournament, then discovering that I can't use those cards three months later because it's the next set to be rotated.
 
yoshi1001 said:
the current system is that the pool of cards available at the start of the season is considerably smaller than the number of cards available at the end of the season.
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Why is that a disadvantage?

The season starts with a low K-value, then the importance of tournaments gradually builds up while the card pool grows at the same time. At the start of a format, nobody really knows how to build a decent deck yet, so why not just keep the card pool small since everyone is basically still just experimenting? While the format's nature takes shape, people are ready to get more cards added to the action.

I think the current system is working very well.
 
By the time people figure out good ideas and combos for specific cards, particularly older ones that have synergy with newer ones, they'll be rotated out. Where's the fun in that?

I do agree, though, that they should have the same format worldwide. But I have the opposite opinion on which way it should go -- I think Japan should be using PUI's Modified format.
 
Chairman Kaga said:
By the time people figure out good ideas and combos for specific cards, particularly older ones that have synergy with newer ones, they'll be rotated out. Where's the fun in that?
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And some would wonder where's the fun in a format where that doesn't happen. :wink:

There's something to be said for a metagame that's in constant flux.
 
In a way, I think there are two seperate issues here: How deep the number of legal sets should be and how often the sets should be trimmed. I think the problem most people have is with the former.
 
if we went with a set number, then PUI loses some of the flexibility needed to make the modified format work. think of the delta sets: i think that PUI needed some flexibility when phases some of those sets out.

but i would also like to be synched up with japan. pokemon began there, thrives greatly there, and it is unfortunate to put them at a disadvantage when worlds comes around.

plus i just love the japanese.
 
it should be worldwide and we should be following japan NOT PUI!! And usually the card pool is bad but this year especially as the ex set pokez couldnt really compete with the dp ones so we only had like 2 legit sets now only 3 of pokemonz we can use.
 
This is one of those ideas which seems to be good at first, until you realise it's trying to solve a problem that wasn't there to begin with.

There are many cons to this one:

PokePop said:
Knowing that a new set is legal is not anywhere as easy as knowing when a specific set drops. With this change, the format would drop a set every three months. Possible also a POP set and/or a Trainer set.
You may dismiss the "non-pro"s difficulty with keeping up or understanding it, but from the TO/HJ side of things, that is far from a trivial concern.
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Well, it's not exactly the TO/HJ point-of-view that is particularly important, it's the parent/child who didn't know his/her deck is illegal because of this rule, when it was legal only a month ago. But I think his point is still very valid.

I hear enough stories of inexperienced people not being able to play in tourneys because of (accidently) having an illegal deck, there doesn't have to be more reasons TBH.

Magic_Umbreon said:
^ I agree but LM is a special set; the exs dominated every season they were playable. Mew ex and Banette ex have consistently been in Worlds-winning decks or at least a threat to decks.

I think if sets were more even in contents it would be fairer.
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Well, sets should be 'fairer', by which I assume is meant more consistency in power level across sets, regardless of format. But it is a very good point. What is the point in making the game more tactical, rewarding those who are looking at innovative combos and new ways to play old cards, if they can only be said deck for a few months before it becomes illegal?

It'd make deckbuilding (even?) more lacklustre than it is now.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying this season is all that bad, actually, though there are a few Ban Absol threads ATM

However, this point:

drrty byl said:
I think we should have the same format as Japan: FRLG-on.
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Seems like it might not be a bad idea - why exactly are there two, different formats for Japan and the rest of the world?

Most people on the thread have been arguing that we should all have the same format worldwide, but there are points for both PUI's and PCL's format.

My suggestion: Why not have two formats?, a 'standard' format (which changes like the PUI one those now), and an 'extended' format (which allows for greater variety and a chance to still use your older cards).

Having both seems like it would be more skill-testing, i.e. can a good player learn how to evaluate a card in two different contexts, whereas the rest of us (you know, the one's who like to have fun) can try out wickedly powerful combos that just aren't possible in a 'standard' format.

It's like having the best of both worlds without the confusing nonsense of the original idea.

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I think we should have the same format as Japan: FRLG-on.
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For the sake of argument, how easy is it to get new FRLG Product in Japan, compared to say, Holon Phantoms Here?

Also, is anyone of the opinion that Japan should adopt our format instead? I would wager the majority of the playerbase is outside Japan (and therefore HP-On). :wink:

I wish we'd have the same modified format as japan. then I could be playing Rock-lock
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Hidden Legends came out before FRLG. Sorry. :wink:
 
dogma's idea of standart and extended (like MTG) is really good.
such thing would avoid an old "problem": people usually offer old cards to small kids or people who are new into the game. simply becuz u also have to keep your cardpool big to build such decks.

a format like 70% playing standart and 30% extended would be nice imo.
 
Bohn said:
dogma's idea of standart and extended (like MTG) is really good.
such thing would avoid an old "problem": people usually offer old cards to small kids or people who are new into the game. simply becuz u also have to keep your cardpool big to build such decks.

a format like 70% playing standart and 30% extended would be nice imo.
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But how would you divide OP resources for suc a system? Are some levels at one and some at the other, or do you run two parallel OP tracks?
 
I totally agree with what Lawman said.

I also don't like the FRLG-on idea that japan plays with. Just because there are a larger number of legal sets does not mean there will be more playable cards. With the re-introduction of cards like Pidgeot and the whole LBS deck, I think the metagame would likely take a turn toward less variance.

I'm perfectly happy with the current system in place and I think it works fine.
 
SlimeyGrimey said:
I totally agree with what Lawman said.

I also don't like the FRLG-on idea that japan plays with. Just because there are a larger number of legal sets does not mean there will be more playable cards. With the re-introduction of cards like Pidgeot and the whole LBS deck, I think the metagame would likely take a turn toward less variance.

I'm perfectly happy with the current system in place and I think it works fine.
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Agreed.

Currently I really like this format. Most people have some sour (fruit of some sort can't recall it) over this format, but the way the format flows is so nice now. There's easily 10 decks that are doing well now, and we get more every set.
 
If we kept getting new sets and dropping the oldest one, we would all run out of legit cards and some of the oldest legit card sets have REALLY good cards in them.
 
I'm in the "PUI format > Japanese format" crowd.

I think having a shorter list of legal sets helps maintain innovation from the player side. From PUI's side, it allows the competitive game as a whole to keep evolving without worrying about how older cards factor in. Finally, it significantly lowers the cost of entry for new players, thus allowing the game to continue its growth, which is better for everyone.

But I don't like the constant rotation idea that started the thread. There needs to be a certain period of stability to allow that player-side innovation to happen. With sets constantly coming in and going out, players will spend more time checking their decks for legality than coming up with good decks. Half of the Juniors that come to our tournaments can't keep track of the format as is.
 
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