Dusknoir at Nationals

[swanton1717]

With Nationals being so huge, its difficult to look around and see who will playing Dusknoir. So I'm just curious, will anyone play down 4/5 basics in a game? And under what circumstances will you lay down more than 3 basics??

~Colin

 

[David's Confused Pokedad]

If Empoleon wants to attack for heavy damage than it has to lay down 4/5 bench. Could try the fossil trick and discard them when Dusknoir takes the stage.

 

[SLOW DECK]

Well, against Garny Gallade or Stage 2 decks, I won't feel comfortable laying down until I know that they don't run Dusknoir. The realistic thing if I see a Garny Gallade, with 1-0-1 Empoleon, with two other techs, I might believe that they don't have the room to fit in a Dusknoir. Against a Stage 1 deck, it would be hard to imagine Dusknoir in it.

Dusknoir "check" is always the first thing a player will do.

Dusknoir in Top 32, you can assume any Dusknoir in your deck is public knowledge. Dusknoir can surprize during Swiss, but never during Tops, too much scouting.

 

[empoleonperson]

Dont forget Craudent ex in a stage one deck it may not be as powerful but it stills gets the job done with a well timed wager.

 

[Yoshi-]

If Empoleon wants to attack for heavy damage than it has to lay down 4/5 bench. Could try the fossil trick and discard them when Dusknoir takes the stage.

Dusknoir will take the stage exactly when you lay down the fossils, that probably won't work :wink:

 

[Rew]

Dusknoir will take the stage exactly when you lay down the fossils, that probably won't work :wink:

dusknoir happens on a random turn, on your opponent's side of the field =P

 

[DarthPika]

Most decks dont need a lot of bench to work anyway....

 

[David's Confused Pokedad]

Empoleon MD does and you will see them at Nationals.

 

[Darkwalker]

Generally, I go into every game assuming Dusknoir is in the opposing deck. Depending on what the deck is I can usually guess if it's in there or not. I'll try and avoid playing a 4th pokemon on the bench unless I have powers locked down beyond a doubt, or I know that I will lose a pokemon before Dusknoir can take effect. Finally, the last point I will feel comfortable in filling my bench is when the 4th Rare Candy is played by my opponent.

 

[mca3]

Great point on that, and yes, Crawduant EX is a Awesome tech in a Stage 1 deck!!!

 

[rerisenphoenix]

The only time I can really see someone laying down more than 3 bench pokemon is if they're PLOXing.

 

[David's Confused Pokedad]

Empoleon MD does and you will see them at Nationals.

bench is needed for its attack to work the max.

 

[Dual_Draw]

bench is needed for its attack to work the max.

You lay down your Duskull, and they start Dual Surfing it, if you Rare Candy or evolve they will Omastar.

 

[Scizor]

Dusknoir hurting Empoleon is a huge misconception. You literally use Surf Together MAYBE 2-3 times a game. Sure, it hurts you if you walk into it, but you shouldn't. Dusknoir is good and certainly is disruptive, but it shouldn't LOSE anyone the game if they don't play into it.

 

[Phazon Elite]

You lay down your Duskull, and they start Dual Surfing it, if you Rare Candy or evolve they will Omastar.

uhhh . . .save desperate circumstances, nobody plays down a Duskull unless they can get Rare Candy + Dusknoir immediately.

 

[master of puppets]

My main man Scizor is right.
Very right indeed.
Just be wary of the ever looming Dusknoir threat.

 

[silent swordsman LV3]

funny how my empoleon deck never uses surf together, and it still wins lol
dual splash is pro

so dusknoir wont hurt people that much if empoleon players know how to play it out

 

[Water Pokemon Master]

There is one card that completely shuts down Empoleon, and I hope I don't run into it at Nats.

Dusknoir is still a big threat. I think you can work around it, though.

 

[Diaz]

There is one card that completely shuts down Empoleon, and I hope I don't run into it at Nats.

False? There's no single tech that takes out empoleon altogether.

 

[TheDarkTwins]

False? There's no single tech that takes out empoleon altogether.

I'd have to agree with this statement. I really feel Dusknoir is overrated. It is easily counter by just playing smart. If you play smart your fine, if you don't, then you deserved to have problems with it.

Drew