Legends Awakened Prerelease News!

[Yoshi-]

But there is a difference between a box and no prices at all, 4/5 extra booster for the first place would really be ok IMO.
Although to much competition may ruin the spirit of an event, playing with no competition at all makes the whole thing pretty boring und umotivating.

It's not that Im just there to get prices, but a bit of competition and rewarding just makes the tournament more interesting.

 

[charchar]

Even 1 pack for first would be awesome. I agree some compitition would make it a little more intresting but, too bad now I guess. It's still fun seeing new cards come out before it's relesed with your friends.

~charchar

 

[SD PokeMom]

Who has actually done/used the "Deck Swap"?
PokeMom, for someone who claims to not like it, you sure do push it as an option a lot.

I don't see why anything has to be explined to the 8-year-old. The 8-year-old, or the parents, would have dropped from the event before any shiny cards were swapped.

ummm, just *where* am i 'push[ing] it as an option'?

i'm *explaining* how we _had_ to run prereleases, especially the second weekend's events, when a box was at stake and there were cards already among the players...

and how would the player 'drop' from the event when still in deckbuilding stage? that's when you'd have to take the product back and refund their entry fee, as we weren't in the business of _selling_ product, but putting on an event.

'mom

 

[Crosplat]

Who has actually done/used the "Deck Swap"?
PokeMom, for someone who claims to not like it, you sure do push it as an option a lot.

I don't see why anything has to be explined to the 8-year-old. The 8-year-old, or the parents, would have dropped from the event before any shiny cards were swapped.

The deck swap thing was not that bad because going into the prerelease you knew that you were going to switch anyways. I pulled a Zapdos ex, and when I swapped I did not get a single holographic. I guess if you have problems controlling your frustration it would be bad, but 95% of the people did not have a problem with it.

As for explaining it to parents, most of the parents/kids were told before hand and did not complain at all. I only saw one little kid complain ever at deck swap time and they told him that he may even get better cards.

 

[ShadowCard]

ummm, just *where* am i 'push[ing] it as an option'?

i'm *explaining*...

You bring it up in just about every thread that I've read where people ask about bringing back a 1st prize at prereleases. Maybe I'm accidently bias in what threads I'm reading and you actually don't say it that often, but your explaining of it sounds to me like you are suggesting it be used if a first/second/third prize were put back into place. If you don't like it so much, make clear your disapproval of the PTOs who have done this. "I don't miss [it]" does not give me a vibe that you are actually against this being used. If you aren't actually against it, by explaining it, you are making sure the option stays on the table, or using it to try to scare people.

i'm *explaining* how we _had_ to run prereleases,

My misinterpretation of your explaining may come from this. Who is this *we*? We _never_ did this in Virginia (I've played at prereleases since Dragon with Sensei) and I don't believe it has ever happened in Maryland either. Why would anyone want to return to a prerelease held by PTOs doing this? I can't see PTOs getting away with this anymore now that more players have access to the "sumbit feedback" button, but an attempt to prevent cheating should not put people off to the game. You may say it is a deterrent to cheating, but it sounds more like cutting off one's nose to spite the face :/ .

I pulled a Zapdos ex, and when I swapped I did not get a single holographic.
...
I only saw one little kid complain ever at deck swap time and they told him that he may even get better cards.

I guess in that theory, it works. Don't look at it as the cards you opened being yours, just that those cards are someone elses and your job is to first record what they are. But why go through such an effort. The card lists were time consuming and error-proned. And then to have everyone get up and move around, and then make a deck, how much time did that take up? We have 60-player prereleases in Virginia. Tell 60 people to clear the room--which means scatter around the store or go out into the mall--and then come back in to be reseated sounds like a headache and something to put people off to the game.

 

[Crosplat]

SC it really was not that big a problem. It took 30 minutes when I saw it done because the TOs said to put your cards in the order that they appeared on the list. Only one or two people would not do it, but that usually did not take up much more time. Sending people to their seats was not bad either. You would just make a single file line and the TO would send you to your seat. Believe me, everybody was very cooperative (because they wanted to play) so it generally went very quickly. If pack opening time started at 10:00am then we would usually start the first round between 11:00 and 11:30. Personally, I would prefer taking about half an hour extra to start playing if it meant that I could win a box.

 

[ShadowCard]

Personally, I would prefer taking about half an hour extra to start playing if it meant that I could win a box.

Now that you explain it, I am wondering if I was too harsh on the idea. Like you said in your other post, you gave up a Zapdos ex. However, you did so knowing you had the chance to win a box, in which there could be another Zapdos ex + more goodies. Do you think a lot of people share your opinion, take 1/2 hour extra to swap decks in order to compete for a box?

However, if you look at it from a promotional point of view, more cards are given out the way it is done now than the former system. It puts more cards into more players's hands, which is better for an event like this. And more cards in more players's hands means more trading. Because of that, I no longer agree for a large reward for top finishers. Maybe a few packs extra, but nothing big enough to warrent deck swapping.

 

[Crosplat]

I like the no trading part, but I guess it comes down this: Do you prefer equal results or equal opportunity? While some would argue that a prerelease does not have equal opportunity because some people will get better cards, the truth is that everybody had an equal opportunity to get those good cards. I would rather that everybody has the chance to win big as opposed to everybody winning the same significantly smaller amount. I think more people would prefer the competitive way, but I do not think that they will go back to it because then people will not feel like they are getting their money's worth. Assuming the cost and amount of packs you received stayed the same ($25) and you did not win anything, then you would have just payed a little over $4 per pack. Not a good investment. If prereleases went back to being $20, then it would work again, but I doubt that it will happen.

 

[The_Lurb]

There really wouldn't be anything wrong with giving four-five packs to the winner, it would encourage people to play and give a little bit of a competitive environment but not one where people are prone to cheat.

 

[wac718]

The last few Pre-release I when to I saw a lot of people playing with a 39 energies and 1 Pokemon in their deck, and most people just leave after round one. So a few more packs for the the winner doesn't hurt anybody on the other hand it would increase the participation of people in the pre-releases.

 

[Ryu99]

Ah that makes sense now thanks pokemom
never had that sort of situation here as we started very late compared to everyone else all the participants are warned that swapping cards during the prerelease was not allowed although i expect it did happen but it was a fun event and our TO spreads prizes really well at any tournement so everyone went away pleased with what they got
however i dont like the 2 packs per participent thing that is now going on as it doesn't encourage participation or competition in such a event particularly when the cost has risen for the kits now even though we have people we want to do these events the majortity of people cant afford the £18 cost of the event therefore we would get a very poor turnout as we dont have a massive player base

 

[pinkertonfan]

A pack for 4th and 3rd, 2 packs for 2nd and 4 packs for 1st would make people want to play more.

 

[ShadowCard]

The last few Pre-release I when to I saw a lot of people playing with a 39 energies and 1 Pokemon in their deck, and most people just leave after round one. So a few more packs for the the winner doesn't hurt anybody on the other hand it would increase the participation of people in the pre-releases.

Our PTO requires that you play in all the rounds if you want the additional booster packs. You still get the sleeves though since those are handed out at registration.

 

[Brawler]

^ No, Tim. He changed it at the MD one so that you could drop after 3 rounds, and still get the packs.

 

[totoro]

Our PTO requires that you play in all the rounds if you want the additional booster packs. You still get the sleeves though since those are handed out at registration.

Umm, nope Tim, wrong. Don't remember when it went down (but it was definitely in place last time!) the rule is now complete 3 rounds to earn the extra packs.

 

[charchar]

I dont care and i am playing in all rounds! I love prereleses and drafts. Espicially ones ran by Totoro.

 

[ShadowCard]

Umm, nope Tim, wrong. Don't remember when it went down (but it was definitely in place last time!) the rule is now complete 3 rounds to earn the extra packs.

You change the rule at every tournament--you and I are getting too soft in our old age

I dont care and i am playing in all rounds! I love prereleses and drafts. Espicially ones ran by Totoro.

He'll probably like it more if you send the comments via the "submit feedback" in your account for his tournaments :thumb:

 

[Muscovy Level X]

and there also used to be cheating, and the necessity for set lists to be filled out, and deck swaps (...try explaining to an 8 y/o why they don't get to keep that shiny "whatever" card they opened in their packs =/ ) when there was a box for the winner...

sorry, i don't miss those days at all.

'mom

It just doesn't satisfy either way (but I'd hate explaining to the kids). It's too much hastle, just for offering prizes.

But I ask this: why is there such precaution taken for the old prereleases? Yes, I know people can potentialy trade, and ruin the equality factor, but people can cheat anyways. Surly people try doing things like changing decks at premier events? I honestly don't think the risk factor at prereleases is exclusivly high.

 

[prenceofdarkness]

It's called for fun... people go to theses prereleases just to play. Imagine that O_O.

Also some of us can't wait to get our hands on some new cards, like magnezone LV.X. Ya, chances are I wont pull a LV.X at prerelease, but who cares, IT'S FUN.

 

[Jason]

I am hoping to attend a good number of PRs including some at Worlds... GOtta love the Bucks Training PR stamped card, a set wouldn't hurt but I rather love them in reverse foil more...