Masters division too crowded?

[mcoppel]

Yoshi you really have no clue about budget.

Heres a simple question for you, how many Fall BR's do you think there are? Look outside your small area, I don't want to even think about how many there are in the world.

Asking to double the prize support is not a OH lets just spend 5 more cents for this event thing.. In Ohio there is at least 10 events, if I do just a basic find tournement at go-pokemon theres 740+. That adds up, then you have 3 divisions at each tourney, and even being a master, I don't see giving one division more prize support then the other 2.

Theres bigger pictures to look at then your 1-2 BR;s. I got a better idea for you, How about you go out, raise extra prize support for master divisions at your BR's and donate those prizes to the BR.

Without charging for a BR and using the revenue for prize support then I see no reason to expect extra prize support for small tourneys. If theres 100+ masters coming to an event, great, maybe that shows there needs to be more events the same weekend, or MAYBE those players want to actually play the best regardless of prizes.

 

[Cyrus]

Wow, you people took this from a topical conversation on age groups to...A Bildungsroman about kids going off to Oxford on Rhodes scholarships. :lol:

So I'll say it again:

Masters: 18+
Seniors: 13-17 (or "possibly" 12-17)
Juniors: 12- (or "possibly" 11-)

I'm liking the Meches/Cyrus compromise more and more, though...11- and 12-17 seem like they'd work very well too.

 

[ryanvergel]

12- cannot and will not work, or ever be implemented. That would allow for older children in the junior division to simply dominate and would isolate in a way that TPCi clearly does not want to. Even 11 year olds are a bit much, as kids begin to get growth spurts at that age and start maturing faster. You're calling for a system that would allow middle schoolers to play against elementary-aged children, many times just learning to read and use basic mathematics.

11- kind of makes me uneasy too. My favorite junior player has quite a few years left in the division, and I don't like the idea of my favorite junior player playing even an 11 year old. The number has to be very low to keep the disparity in ages small. Remember that kids at age 6/7 start playing, so having a 5-6 year gap in intelligent growth at that age is huge. The 5 year gap for a 7 and 12 year old is more substantial than the 5 year gap between a 13 year old and an 18 year old, for example.

 

[Yoshi-]

Yoshi you really have no clue about budget.

Heres a simple question for you, how many Fall BR's do you think there are? Look outside your small area, I don't want to even think about how many there are in the world.

Asking to double the prize support is not a OH lets just spend 5 more cents for this event thing.. In Ohio there is at least 10 events, if I do just a basic find tournement at go-pokemon theres 740+. That adds up, then you have 3 divisions at each tourney, and even being a master, I don't see giving one division more prize support then the other 2.

If one division has 20+ players and another one has 2, the prices should be adjusted IMO

Theres bigger pictures to look at then your 1-2 BR;s. I got a better idea for you, How about you go out, raise extra prize support for master divisions at your BR's and donate those prizes to the BR.

I dont really get what you mean ?

Without charging for a BR and using the revenue for prize support then I see no reason to expect extra prize support for small tourneys. If theres 100+ masters coming to an event, great, maybe that shows there needs to be more events the same weekend, or MAYBE those players want to actually play the best regardless of prizes.

*sight* How often do I have to repeat myself here :/
I WILL play to see my friends, but cant I be unsatisfied with the prices at the same time?

I dont know anything about budgets, right, I just see that for some BRs the price support is ridiculus small and this is everything I'm pointing out.
And in no time I have a bunch of people at my back who're very desperatly trying to make me look like some greedy evil person.
Big News, Pokemon never payed off to begin with...

Enjoy the rest of the season Yoshi-....I know I am regardless of what the prizes are.

If I'd get a dollar every tiem someone makes me look like I just care about prices I could probably afford sponsoring the BR support by now... I've repeated this so often by now. I enjoy this game because of my friends... For the rest of it reas Austinos last post really...
Is the idea that someone likes to play this game but still would like to see some reasonable price support that hard to grasp?

PCI would LOVE to have an unlimited budget...they would LOVE to give out the most exciting prizes in the world...they would LOVE change many things for the betterment of all the organized players. They are not the idiots you seem to think they are when running this game.

And this is the reason I'm even posting here in spite of people twisting my words and trying to make me look bad, because there seem to be some people at PUI who are obviously listening to what we write here. I wish I could say the same about most people on this board...

They DO listen to things players have to say. I believe Ryan Vergel said it best in and earlier post.

Like I said..

I appreciate the energy of a teenager who believes his/her cause is right and the way things ought to be...the problem with teenage arguments is that logic and emotion get all mixed up together and they fail to see the overall big picture.

I currently have former students attending Harvard, Yale, Oxford (on a Rhodes scholarship) and many many great universities around the US. One of my great joys as a teacher is I get to see them go from being brilliant teens to brilliant adults who come back to me and let me know that I really DID know what I was talking about when they were teens. The greatest thing about being a teenager is that it doesn't last forever.

Believe me, I'm no pseudo-rebellious kid anymore :/

I know that there is a lot of stuff going on I have no idea about. But thats not my concern. I dont really care about budgets and stuff.
All I care about is the tournament itself and when I think that there is something wrong with it I'll say so. I dont know about whats going on in the background, I'm just pointing out that there is a problem. And when I do this I would just want that people would accept that I think that there is a problem instead of making me look like I'm just out for more prices.
Getting your words twisted around like this all the time is what really makes me angry...

All I'm saying is that I think that there is a problem and IMHO its a problem that PUI could overcome very easily. Or maybe I should rather say, a problem they SHOULD be able to overcome easily. Because I really cant imagine that giving out extra prices would kill anyones budges. (I mean they obiously had the money to ship me a worlds bag tag think for 13$ :lol

Maybe it is not in there budget, ok, but then someone over there should really think about how its posible that a reasonable price support would kill there budget.

Im no "OMG I'M SO UBER !!!111 I AM DEFENITLY THE BEST PLAYER EHRE THIS IS WHY I DESERVE ALL THE PRICES !!!11111" player and when you'd get your words twised around all the time, wouldnt this make you angry?

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1519069&postcount=169
Read this post, it speakes the truth...

Is it not possible that EVEN though someone may go because of friends or whatnot that they can't have an opinion on wanting more prizes?! You're saying it's one or the other when in actuality, people may come because their friends are going to be there AND because there are prizes. Stop getting onto people for complaining about stuff when it's the complainers who get things done...not the people who don't say anything because it's "bad" to say anything.

Thats exactly how I feel and how one gets treated here and THIS is really making me more angry then any price support ever could.

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1519226&postcount=179
THIS... I agree 100% with this. But I guess he is an evil elitist player as well because he thinks someone that wins a tournament deserves more then 4 packs :/

I know that BRs are supposed to be small events but if people are going anyway this "keeping it small by giving out small prices" thing just doesnt work.
And even when the prices are supposed to be small (which I'm perfectly fine with) there should be some variation. THe prices that are small but accetable for a 10/12 player tournament make a 30 people tournament look rather ridiculus.
All I'm asking for is to adjust the "small prices" to the tournament size. 4 Extra Booster for the first place wont get ANYONE to go if he wouldnt have gone anyway, I cant see how one can really believe that a small increasement in prices would really change the size of the event. BUT it would give back in a fair way to the players who went anyway. I just think that there is a difference between small prices (which I'm perfectly fine with) and prices that are so small that they make you feel like an idiot.
You could SO easily set up a "small price rooster" that still would give out small prices to every tournament but would change a bit according on attendance.
And changing prices according on attendance seems to be like the most obious thing in the world, I dont get whats so strange about this...

 

[NoPoke]

*sight* How often do I have to repeat myself here :/
I WILL play to see my friends, but cant I be unsatisfied with the prices at the same time?

I dont know anything about budgets, right, I just see that for some BRs the price support is ridiculus small and this is everything I'm pointing out.
And in no time I have a bunch of people at my back who're very desperatly trying to make me look like some greedy evil person.
Big News, Pokemon never payed off to begin with...

The problem is that you often do JUST repeat yourself. Burying the good points amongst the bad. (FWIW I do the same myself sometimes.)

Sure you can be dissatisfied with the prizes. But unless you offer something positive and not something that looks like just a demand for more you will be forever dissatisfied. Clay's point is that teenagers are often rebellious and dissatisfied, but they do move on. Being rebellious and dissatisfied isn't of itself bad, staying rebelious and dissatisfied however frequently is bad.

Requesting a change that is within the current budget is reasonable, requesting a change that means someone else gets less is not.

Don't you think that the POP guys argue the case for a bigger budget? But that once the budget is set that they have no choice but to do the best that they can within its constraints or to find a different job.

Plea for a new promo (or complaint even about the repeats) - good. Plea (or complaint) for More boosters - bad. Bad because someone has to get less. Boosters redistributed based upon attendance means that some events get ZERO boosters. Those "some" events would be primarily located in Europe too.

Yoshi: YOU are making YOURSELF look greedy. No one is doing this to you. That too is another teenage trait that doesn't last forever. Can I say that without getting attacked? Will you accept it as an observation from experience?


Life is hard. Life isn't fair.
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Have you ever wondered why POP have not changed the Battle Road promo? Maybe because they have a stock already printed and there is nothing in the budget to pay for them to be scrapped and a new one printed in its place. Small print runs cost more than large ones. I have no idea who makes the decision on the size of the print runs. I would not be surprised if it was not an OP decision.

 

[Yoshi-]

The problem is that you are JUST repeating yourself.

Sure you can be dissatisfied with the prizes. But unless you offer something positive and not something that looks like just a demand for more you will be forever dissatisfied. Clay's point is that teenagers are often rebellious and dissatisfied, but they do move on.

Requesting a change that is within the current budget is reasonable, requesting a change that means someone else gets less is not.

New promo - good. More boosters - bad. Bad because someone has to get less. Boosters redistributed based upon attendance means that some events get ZERO boosters. Those "some" events would be primarily located in Europe too.

Yoshi: YOU are making YOURSELF look greedy. No one is doing this to you. That too is another teenage trait that doesn't last forever.

Life is hard. Life isn't fair.

Like I said, I dont know about this budget thing. I dont know HOW to change it accordingly. I just see something is wrong and should be changed or at least get a second look. I dont know what should be changed to make it work, how should I?
I'm just pointing out the problem and leave the rest to the people who are in charge of it.
Maybe there budget is to small, maybe they distribute it wrong, I dont know. I'm justing pointing out what I think is a problem, the rest is up to them.

And btw, I think that "we want to keep the events small" is way more likely then "we cant afford more boosters" to be the explanation behind these prices. I just cant really imagine that increasing the prices would blow there budget, I think the other explanation is far more likely.

I'm not saying anyone should get zero boosters, I never did... But when there are just 4 people playing, the victory medal for the first one (and maybe 2 boosters) and 2 boosters for the second one should be enough. It fits the tournament size...

And what is makign look greedy are posts like this one:

then i guess your definition of 'reasonable' prizes for a 'small' tournament is at odds with that of OP...and again, your choice is to play, or not to play if it's not 'worth' it to you.

'mom

I've stated it a few times that my friends are worth it and that I dont go there for prices. And still I get this stuff again... Look at Austinos post ( http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1519069&postcount=169 ), this is what I mean. Why is everyone who is unsatisfied with something getting this treatment from some people? Live isnt perfect and this is why we point out stuff that needs improvement. Nothing more nothing less.
Just look at the japanesec ard bann thing, everyone was shootign us down for that we are no customers since we buy japanese cards and that we have no right to complain etc etc.
And what did happen at the end? Fortunatly some people at PUI seem to take critic way better then people here...

And again, how can you expect me to come up with a solution? I'm just stating that there is a problem, finding a solution is the next step and other peoples job. Because I dont have then essesary information for doing this.

 

[bullados]

Here's another thing to think about as far as BR prizes are concerned...

BRs have been advertised as the "lowest", "easiest", or "most beginner" tournament series that we have. I have absolutely no problem with that distinction, because it leads to something else from PCI's side (from my perspective, at least).

BRs are also a sort of proving grounds for new TOs. I'm not saying this as true, but it's something that just seems so obvious from my POV that I think it has to be said. PCI needs to know that it can trust its TOs with larger events before they can give them anything truly big. For a company like PCI, two booster boxes and 3 promos really isn't a whole ton of investment in a single tournament. However, it's sort of a way to test new TOs and see whether or not they're ready for the big time.

I believe that, if it weren't for BRs (and my persistence), my area (Central Illinois) would have absolutely zero organized play support outside of League. My first major tourney was about a year and a half ago, getting 16 players with the Jrs outnumbering the Masters. I've been running Brs fairly consistently since then, and because of my good behavior and consistency with both the game rules and the Premier Tourney rules, I've been allowed to run Cities, and recently managed to get Prereleases into this area.

Would this area have gotten the support if there wasn't BRs? Or if the BR prize support system was larger or more complicated than it was then or is now? I honestly don't think so, even with my persistence.

If there is a problem with the prize support in this game, it isn't at the BR level. BRs are meant to be small, a proving grounds for new or inexperienced TOs and Judges. Without them, I know that the local Judge pool in my state would be remarkably small (I still think that it's too small for the player base...), there would be fewer of virtually every other event, and there would be a smaller player base because of the lack of exposure.

BRs are fine. Leave them alone.

 

[Yoshi-]

Ok, I'll give this another approach, maybe I'm just not good at expressing my point.

First of all we should see that there are 2 ways to explain the current price rooster:

1. PUI COULD aford more prices but doesnt want to make the events bigger cause of what they're supposed to be.

This one seems far more likely to me and I think this is a point where we can agree.
It IS possible to increase the prices for bigger tournaments a bit without making it a big event. 6-8 Boosters for the first place at a 30 player (in the division) BR is nothing to write home about but seems fair for a small tournamt. I highly doubt this would increase the attendance but even if this is there point of view, thats fine with me. I cant agree but I get an explanation for what they're doing and can accept it.


2. PUI can't afford more prices because it would blow there budget.

All that I am doing right now is expressing my point, I dont even really expect any change. (although the good work that pui did in the past still gives me some hope)
A simple "we cant afford increasing the prices right now, it would blow our budget" would be enough for me to stop complaining. I can accept it, if there ISNT any money left I can acept it, I cant expect them to give us money that is not there. All I'm expecting is that my concern gets noticed and not shot down...

And if this (2.) is the case, all this would be revolving around one central problem:

- The tournaments grow and grow / the budget doesnt

If its not possible for PUI to give us more stuff I can accept this. All I'm doing is pointing out this central problem and that there is something going wrong right now.
All I'm doing is trying to get this point across, that tournaments get bigger but the prices dont change accordingly which makes the prices look rather small.

Whos fault this is / What should be done / What CAN be done is really not in my hands anymore. I dont expect any quick solutions, I dont expect that we suddenly get our prices increased. That would be unrealistic. I dont even put the blame on anyone. All I'm saying is that (I think) there is a problem right now which revolves around this central problem I mentioned above. I just want this to be accepted and maybe getting some thought and discussion. I dont expect anyone to shut down small BRs to give the big ones more prices, I dont expect them to give us more prices right now, I dont expect any solution at all.
All I want is to bring this point "Tournaments get bigger and bigger, the prices stay the same, this makes them look pretty bad". This is my opinion, this is what I'm trying to express, that this problem exists right now. I dont suggest any solutions, this would be the next step and I doubt I'm qualified to suggest any solutions, this is the job of other people.

I hope this is expressing my thoughts more accurate.

I know that changing a problem is hard and I'm not really qualified for this, I dont have any inside knowledge, I know that there are a lot of factors I dont know about. After all I'm NOT a rebellious teenager who expects everything to change to what he thinks is right. I know how this world works (or better I know that I dont know how it works )
All I'm doing is pointing out that there is something going on right now that would need some work and though, nothing more, nothing less. A simple "we see what you mean, but we cant do anythign about it right now" would be enough for me, I know that they noticed (and hopefully thought about) what I'm saying and that they're aware of the problem. Thats all I want. Pointing out where there is room for improvement without being treated like a monster or like I'm asking for any ridiculus solutions.

~~~

Hope this somehow gets my point across a bit better.

 

[NoPoke]

"Tournaments get bigger and bigger, the prices stay the same, this makes them look pretty bad". This is my opinion

You are allowed your opinion. You are allowed to voice it too. But please don't complain when someone else expresses their own opinion that your posts look greedy. Or that you are mixing greedy requests with reasonable requests and thus run the risk of having the good dismissed along with the bad.

My opnion is different to yours on growth in attendance making tournaments look bad. More players = more fun for all.


Some tournaments have participation prizes, some have participation as the only prize.
Some tournaments have a big prize for the winner, some don't.
Some tournaments have a store credit approach where the prize pool is determined by attendance, some have a fixed structure.
Some tournaments are too small, some are too big.

Extremes always cause problems.

 

[Volt]

Can't believe we're talking about Battle Roads. It sounds like they should give every Top finisher a display though it's the smallest tournament in season. Small Tournament = Small price support.

"What you see is what you get", if you unterstand my point.

 

[Prof Clay]

Whos fault this is / What should be done / What CAN be done is really not in my hands anymore. I dont expect any quick solutions, I dont expect that we suddenly get our prices increased. That would be unrealistic. I dont even put the blame on anyone. All I'm saying is that (I think) there is a problem right now which revolves around this central problem I mentioned above. I just want this to be accepted and maybe getting some thought and discussion. I dont expect anyone to shut down small BRs to give the big ones more prices, I dont expect them to give us more prices right now, I dont expect any solution at all.

All I want is to bring this point "Tournaments get bigger and bigger, the prices stay the same, this makes them look pretty bad". This is my opinion, this is what I'm trying to express, that this problem exists right now. I dont suggest any solutions, this would be the next step and I doubt I'm qualified to suggest any solutions, this is the job of other people.

I hope this is expressing my thoughts more accurate.

.

Now you are asking the right questions.

Dave and gang in Seattle would like a bigger budget, but the bosses above them who control the purse strings need to see that an increase in the OP budget means an increase in overall profit for the company. Unfortunately, sales are on the rise which indicates there is no need to increase the OP budget...thats just how it is in the business world.

 

[SteveP]

I earned my first Victory Medal last Spring. To many, the card is highly collectable, meaning "serious" trade bait. If nothing else, trade the prize card away for something you DO like.

The other day, I saw the 3rd place Masters Worlds trophy being sold on e-bay. I guess cash is the only UNIVERSAL prize that we can all agree on. But even if they did give cash prizes, some would complain about how much.

So long as the prize support is comparable to the tournament level, TPCi is doing a decent job, IMO.

Oddly, I find myself agreeing with PokeMom about BR prize support.

The funnest tournament I ever played at was a "reverse prize" payout. It was quite enjoyable watching the lesser players get a couple extra boosters, seeing the gratitude that some of the better players had long-forgot about.

 

[xcfrisco]

12- cannot and will not work, or ever be implemented. That would allow for older children in the junior division to simply dominate and would isolate in a way that TPCi clearly does not want to. Even 11 year olds are a bit much, as kids begin to get growth spurts at that age and start maturing faster. You're calling for a system that would allow middle schoolers to play against elementary-aged children, many times just learning to read and use basic mathematics.

11- kind of makes me uneasy too. My favorite junior player has quite a few years left in the division, and I don't like the idea of my favorite junior player playing even an 11 year old. The number has to be very low to keep the disparity in ages small. Remember that kids at age 6/7 start playing, so having a 5-6 year gap in intelligent growth at that age is huge. The 5 year gap for a 7 and 12 year old is more substantial than the 5 year gap between a 13 year old and an 18 year old, for example.

Lol, I find it interesting that, essentially, we're having trouble where to place the "middle schoolers." I think its a really tough age, the pre-teens if you will, but I think the best argument so far, on the counts of making it an "even" playing field, is to increase the # of divisions. Unforunately, this means more money that may or may not be there, but I think this would be the best solution (in terms of alleviating overcrowding and making it fair for everyone):

.10 and under
.11-13
.14-17
.18 and over

Just like how most schools in the US are set-up.

 

[nnaann]

Now you are asking the right questions.

Dave and gang in Seattle would like a bigger budget, but the bosses above them who control the purse strings need to see that an increase in the OP budget means an increase in overall profit for the company. Unfortunately, sales are on the rise which indicates there is no need to increase the OP budget...thats just how it is in the business world.

I think everyone would agree that a increase in prize support would be best for players, but that isn't going to happen. So IMO best next step would be for POP to be more efficent with the budget they have. We know that the PR Raichu sold for over $10,000 and cost little to produce, and at the moment alot of prize support costs little to produce by POP such as Victory Medals up to the No.1 Trainer card. If POP can produce cards and prizes like that and use say $1 of their budget to produce a cards worth $10-20 then this is the best step.

I firstly think that Victory Medals have run their course, and their value is only going to decline. So what about a set of cards, produced for each round of tournaments during the season. Each one could be stamped with the division in which it was won in. Firstly, since Juniors have less people in their division - their winner's card would be less in value than a card won in the masters with 4x the attendence. With each set of tournament's becoming harder to win, Battle Roads, CC's, States ETC their value would increase - according to the tournaments difficulty. This would benefit all the players, and since it would be of no extra cost to POP they would have no problems doing it. This would be of mimimal cost to POP, and stuff like Player's Rewards must take up as much room in their budget which aren't really used.

Yes, this doesn't cover the divisions - which I feel needs changing. I agree with the above post that 10 and under, 11-13, 14-17 and 18+ would be the best step - but I doubt POP would do this if they are sticking to the same budget and can't spread the prizes to a 4th division.

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Here it is: if you don't like the prizes, too bad. Complaining really won't change anything. If you don't think BR's are worth it anymore, that's fine. Don't go.

That really is a false statement. POP read these boards, they listen to the players. When they banned JPN, they read the players opinions and added thr 10% rule.

 

[baby mario]

When they banned JPN, they read the players opinions and added thr 10% rule.

What, the whole country???



And now they only let 10% back in?

That's outrageous. Even I will complain about that :lol:

I agree that it would be great to have a different VM. Just for variety though. POP shouldn't think 'I'll give the players a new card cos they will get loads for it on eBay'. Prizes aren't supposed to be a sly way of giving players cash, even though that's what it turns out to be half the time.

 

[nnaann]

What, the whole country???



And now they only let 10% back in?

That's outrageous. Even I will complain about that :lol:

I agree that it would be great to have a different VM. Just for variety though. POP shouldn't think 'I'll give the players a new card cos they will get loads for it on eBay'. Prizes aren't supposed to be a sly way of giving players cash, even though that's what it turns out to be half the time.

:lol:

But the fact is, their prizes are going to be judged on what they're worth. And if my card is worth more, - great I can trade more cards for it, or if I keep it feel I did better because they are more unique. Also in some cases, people ebay the cards to fund their hobby. I don't think anyone just plays Pokemon to make a profit and doesn't enjoy the game.

 

[SD PokeMom]

...or just maybe they aren't expecting the same people to keep winning sooooooo many victory medals that they get 'sick' of them?

'mom

 

[NoPoke]

setup costs. handling costs license costs

two half sized print runs for different artwork can cost more than twice the cost of a single print run for a single card.

I wonder how much in total has been spent on getting that VM promo into the hands of the multitude of individual European TOs just so they can be given out as a free prize? Not just the shipping cost but everything from design through checking production storage despatch wages of those involved tax....

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I think everyone would agree that a increase in prize support would be best for players,

Well not everyone. I know I'm not convinced.

 

[Mystery Thing]

If POP can produce cards and prizes like that and use say $1 of their budget to produce a cards worth $10-20 then this is the best step.

The problem there is that card batch production and cost are very much inversely related. The fewer of a card they need, the higher the cost per card. Exponentially. Sure. No. 1 Trainer is the rarest card of the year, since there's 3 of them. That also makes them (well, along with the 3 No.2 and the 3 No.3, I suppose) the more expensive cards to produce.

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I completely disagree with your statement that you can't change up prizes by location. Yes you can! You have a set number of prizes for a certain attendance number. This is set PRIOR to the events.

So what, say that California States can only have 170 (or whatever) Masters? Yeah, won't that go over brilliantly for the poor souls who drive 5 hours to get there, just to be told they're SOL.

What are you describing is inaccurate and will not happen.

By what basis? If you're told you can drive one direction for 2 hours and play in a tournament with a chance to win 18 packs (arbitrary number, don't remember what the States prize structure is), or 2 hours the other direction with a chance to win 36 packs and possibly more ranking points, which are you going to pick? I know which one I would be at, and that alone is enough for it to be possibly accurate.

More prizes.....I suggested several things, including shifing of prizes. Cutting States would shift prizes. Cutting a little from Juniors/Seniors would add to Masters prizes. Those are shifts.

Never going to happen. Pokémon is still, and always will be, a "kids" game. They'll NEVER cut prizes from the younger divisions to put into the Masters, it just won't happen.

 

[Biggie]

They'll NEVER cut prizes from the younger divisions to put into the Masters, it just won't happen.

I don't usually make posts like this but:

QFT.