TheGeneral
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Haha I gotcha. See you at states.
yugioh is pretty much if you like top decking, dealing with cheaters, and "not nice people".
makes sense...from what I hear (and heard from actual hardcore yugioh players at Pokemon league last night), yugioh is pretty much if you like top decking, dealing with cheaters, and "not nice people". I dig pokemon...I tried out magic a few months ago and did alright with it, but the similarities with Pokemon just makes it somewhat of the same game---hence why I wanted to try yugioh. But if the response is overwhelming with people hating on yugioh, then Im down for staying with Pokemon.
EDIT: Plus it's too fun playing Gabe in a Pokemon tournament and beating him :thumb: haha jk
The Destiny Draws in Yugioh might not actually get banned, but one of two things will happen -
1. They'll get banned/limited-to-1 but you can still play 1 or 2. can you stroll into states and play a base set blastoise?
2. A new card will come out that obsoletes Destiny Draw or a new archetype will come out that totally hoses your deck and makes them worthless anyway. No rotation = rampant power creep. syncro cat topped at a regionals even with lightsworn and blackwings and glad beasts in the field, so you dont have to get the the lastest and greatest stuff to do good
You still have to keep up with new sets in Yugioh because the newer cards are better and better. Rotation isn't the only thing that keeps people buying product.
If you're interested in Yugioh, I'd suggest you look into the Pegasus League format - it's basically a rotating format.
edit: Also, when Crush Card became a rare, it also became banned anyway shortly thereafter so... so what? so when it goes back up to one people like me can get em cheap
There are top deckers and cheters in Pokemon too. So what's your point. The game is what you make it. If you go in with a positive attitude and treat people with respect, then players will do the same. We can set a example for the game. Don't judge just by what people say that has happend to them in the past. Decide with your own heart what is right.
I know you wanted to get our opinion, but when you post stuff like this on a Pokemon fourm, this debate is always going to be one sided. So I don't think this is a fair judgment at all.
Rescue Cat Synchro still requires that you get an Extra Deck that's still a good $100,lets see what we need here for a side deck 3 waboko those come in a starter deck, 2-3 kyko also come in a starter deck 3 light imprisoning mirrors those are pretty cheap and come common maybe some mirror of oaths? those are common too, a 100 dollars is a huge over exageration and one of the better Synchros wound up getting... SHOCK... banneddark strike fighter? good yes but not one of the best. black rose and goyo got limited down to one but in all honesty its rare that i even need black rose let alone 2 so even if i could use more i definitly would still play one. but startdust you can have 3, brionac you can have 3 of those too, colossial fighter, arcanite, thought ruler, yep you can have 3 of those too.The banned dark strike fighter is one of the better syncro yes one of the best no! [Edit: And... topped? So what, anything can top. Most regionals/SJCs have at least one good Rogue deck in top 16. You know what though? Samus has "topped" in an ENORMOUS amount of Smash Bros. Melee tournaments, but hasn't won a single majour tournament... topping doesn't mean crap. another relevant example, people once touted a Cyber Jar control deckjust have to question exactly how dated this is cyber jar has been banned for years, use more recent topics please, it won a couple regionals... but only one guy was able to do it and later admitted he stacked his deck yugioh has a reputation that they are all thieves and cheaters just like pokemon has the reputation that the only people that play it are loser kids that sit alone in the lunch room and dont talk to anyone at school and have no friends. yes there are people like stereotypes in both games but they're are also honest people in Yugioh and cool people in pokemonto re-draw Cyber Jar. sounds cool]
Also, I play three card games, thanks.i dont fully understand this statement are you assuming that i dont or this makes your thoughts mean more than mine or what? i dont understand, if you were refering to when i said you should play more than one card game that was directed at the guy who started this thread not you. i was trying to make him a better player
Also, even Yugioh now supports a rotating format. Go look up Pegasus League.
Also, you badly oversimplified the limited-to-1 situation. Sometimes when they Limit or Ban a card, it outright kills the archetype... for example Chimeratech was strong at first and the Chimeratech itself was like $50, then they Limited both Future Fusion and Overload Fusion, surprise now your entire Chimeratech deck is worthless COOL!wow chimeratech? such a bad card i dont know any one who actually played it there were a REDICULAS amount of ways to play around it, it came out back in the chaos return meta days so lets see, sak armor was played then, so was wide spread ruin, zaborg, chaos sorcerer, smashing ground, fissure, mirror force, solum judgement, torrental, dd warrior lady, dd assassin. dd warrior, lighting vortex,bottem less trap hole, (for those that dont play yugioh YOU HAVE ALOT OF OUTS!!) so yeah the card you picked to say why the ban list was bad is completely garbage that makes you burn out all the monsters in your deck and graveyard to get any desent attack going if you were going to make a stand on a banned card pick something like yata garsu or cyber stien
lets see what we need here for a side deck 3 waboko those come in a starter deck, 2-3 kyko also come in a starter deck 3 light imprisoning mirrors those are pretty cheap and come common maybe some mirror of oaths? those are common too, a 100 dollars is a huge over exageration
dark strike fighter? good yes but not one of the best. black rose and goyo got limited down to one but in all honesty its rare that i even need black rose let alone 2 so even if i could use more i definitly would still play one. but startdust you can have 3, brionac you can have 3 of those too, colossial fighter, arcanite, thought ruler, yep you can have 3 of those too.The banned dark strike fighter is one of the better syncro yes one of the best no!
just have to question exactly how dated this is cyber jar has been banned for years, use more recent topics please
yugioh has a reputation that they are all thieves and cheaters just like pokemon has the reputation that the only people that play it are loser kids that sit alone in the lunch room and dont talk to anyone at school and have no friends. yes there are people like stereotypes in both games but they're are also honest people in Yugioh and cool people in pokemon
wow chimeratech? such a bad card i dont know any one who actually played it there were a REDICULAS amount of ways to play around it, it came out back in the chaos return meta days so lets see, sak armor was played then, so was wide spread ruin, zaborg, chaos sorcerer, smashing ground, fissure, mirror force, solum judgement, torrental, dd warrior lady, dd assassin. dd warrior, lighting vortex,bottem less trap hole, (for those that dont play yugioh YOU HAVE ALOT OF OUTS!!) so yeah the card you picked to say why the ban list was bad is completely garbage that makes you burn out all the monsters in your deck and graveyard to get any desent attack going if you were going to make a stand on a banned card pick something like yata garsu or cyber stien
side bar: in a completely unrelated topic this is just to help disprove the stereo type pokemon players have about yuigohs "unfair" ban list yugioh has banned 43 cards, and limited 78 so effected the playablilty of 121 cards. i just got off pokebeach counting (yes i made sure not to include energy and other reprints) Pokemon has banned a little under 3,000 cards not including promos and POP sets. i counted 2994 but i might have missed a few but i doubt it will make a huge difference in the comparison. so 121 comparred to 2994.
Who cares how recent it is? Yeah, I'm talking about stuff that happened five years ago because I thought you'd like to hear a relevant yugioh-based example. I haven't followed the game closely in the last four years because the game sucks pretty hardcore and isn't fun to play in tournaments at all, wait i have a question: the title of the thread was for all the yugioh players, since you are not a yugioh player, why are you in here?so I can't give you more recent examples - though I know for example during the extremely DAD-centric format there'd always be one or two non-DAD decks in the top 16 (that wouldn't make it to top 8). But yeah, way to dismiss my point entirely because you can't actually counter it.
Way to strawman and ignore my point. The Cyber Jar example was a single deck that somehow won a couple tournaments, but it only made it to the top because the guy admitted to stacking his deck to make sure he re-drew Cyber Jar. I'm saying the only reason his deck broke "the format" was because he cheated. I'm not saying the people that make top 16 or whatever with rogue decks like Rescue Cat are cheating, I'm saying that while they'll occasionally top because of lucky draws, they won't ever win because the top deckto be fair its decks now, (glad beast,black wings, zombies, and lightsworn) is always too strong in Yugioh. Because they have access to too many power cards and too many ridiculous combos. BECAUSE THE CARD POOL IS TOO LARGE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T ROTATE.
And you know what? Just like today's format, you're a total idiot if you try to attack for game into facedown cards when you don't know what they are. actually zombies wants their goblin zombies and mizukis to dieTrunade, Heavy, MST, Dust Tornado, Phoenix Wing...
And having to remember an entire expansion worth of cards that are either banned or limited is insane. It's so much easier for cards to cycle out over time at fixed intervals,remember kids if you cant play 3000 cards for your own good cause you will get confused it makes for much easier bookkeeping and organisation.remeber kids we must ban these cards so you can be neater
When the card pool is as large as Pokemon's or Yugioh's, you generally NEED to start getting rid of cards for the health of the game, both for the sake of the format and for the sake of the playtesters having to test new cards against tens of thousands of other cards in enormous combinations (which is where problem cards usually arise, when forgotten cards suddenly combine too well with newer cards which the playtesters couldn't have thought of).i would actually like an example of this one because i cant think of anything
From what I've read on Yugioh forums, people that have tried Pegasus League format have LOVED it because there's much more variety in decks and much more flexibility in deck building because you aren't inundated with staple cards you HAVE to run because they're that good.
Also having half your deck be one-ofs (because they're limited to 1) makes consistency hard and makes lucky topdecking far too common, something that pissed me off badly every time I tried to play the game "Good job, you drew Brain Control with no cards in hand or in play, and stole my big guy that I spent all my resources getting out... game 2?" learn to not expand all your resources in one turn, isnt that what G.O. said earlier? makes for such a fun experience, lemme tell ya.actually if you are the one with the brain control it sounds pretty good
When the card pool is as large as Pokemon's or Yugioh's, you generally NEED to start getting rid of cards for the health of the game, both for the sake of the format and for the sake of the playtesters having to test new cards against tens of thousands of other cards in enormous combinations (which is where problem cards usually arise, when forgotten cards suddenly combine too well with newer cards which the playtesters couldn't have thought of).i would actually like an example of this one because i cant think of anything
Rescue Cat is one example.
It was barely played at all for years, Then new cards and mechanics come along.The result? A ridiculously broken OTKO deck, followed by the inevitable bans and restrictions . . .
I don't want to diss another card game nor want to make this a spam post. But YuGiOh seems to me, a battle of who has the most money and there are like only a few competitive decks that you can play, seems pretty boring.
Wait, how is that an OTK you summoner munk a cat cat for an airebellum and black panther then synch either the airbellum and panther for brionac (which is def. the better play)and return their field to thier hand and then swing for 2300. or synch them all for mist wurm field goes to thier hand and swing for 2500? niether wich are OTKs
trying to be a good yu-gi-oh player is like trying to be a good roulette player without a system.
this is very true, this explains perfectly why the same kids win all the tournoments