Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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Will Gengar SF gain a boost in popularity with the new format?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 53 58.9%

  • No.

    Votes: 6 6.7%

  • We'll have to wait and see.

    Votes: 31 34.4%
  • Total voters
    90
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Spheal says

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I'm thinking that SF Gengar is going to make a come back once the new format is in place. Here's why:

1. No Unown G.
2. No way for your opponent to flush trainers/ supporters/ stadiums out of their hand.
3. It sets up REALLY quickly.
4. Still has some of the best techs in the game. (Nidoqueen, Mewtwo X, Crobat G, Spiritomb)
5. Has new techs (Kingdra Prime, Vileplume: whose body prevents trainers from being played.)

I'm still as unsure as any one else about what the top tier's gonna look like. I just think that the card that every one has always loved to hate could potentially gain a significant boost in it's prevalence. Especially since Moonlight will be gone and it'll be that much more difficult to play Cursegar.

What do you guys think?
 
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You're thinking of the Promo Noctowl that lets you look at their hand once per turn. But I too seeing this deck getting big. I plan on running another Gengar variant sometime next season. Haha since Unown G will be going, Gengar will be Beast! (well unless we get something that prevents effects of attacks)
 
I was looking into Gengar Chomp so it can utilize the cyrus engine. Without Claydol I'm not sure any Stage 2 deck can win in the next format.
 
There's definitely no sign of such a card as of yet. I've looked at the scans for the Japanese sets that we've yet to receive.
 
In a metagame full of SF Gengar, I've built many decks and tested them. I made a LuxChomp with some Darkness Energies and Honchkrow Gs that didn't run Unown G and it consistently beat an SF Gengar running Claydols. SF Gengar has a difficult time defeating Jumpluff, even if Jumpluff doesn't run Unown G. My Sablelock has trashed any SF Gengar deck it has come across, and I'm sure that other Sablelocks have had/will have similar games. SF Gengar will be going up against some difficult matchups next format.

On a side note, my Gardevoir/Gallade/Weavile beat 5 Mother Gengars and 1 GeChamp at Nats, and I didn't run Unown G. I know that I was Powerlocking them, but they still lost when they had a clear opportunity to Shadow Room my Claydols, Gardevoirs, and Weaviles.
 
Gengar SF is such a funny deck. So many people hate it because they think it is overpowered or gets cheap wins and just as many people think it is easy to beat.
 
NO

WE DID NOT MISS GENGAR



okay, but seriously... I'm not so convinced about it. I mean, Claydol was harder to take out than Uxies were, granted, but it won't be such a terrible thing to lose your Uxies, where Gengar was a master because it could take out Claydol and shut the opponent down before.

Also, the swarm may be very difficult to maintain without a Claydol of your own - forget about Nidoqueen to force Fainting Spell flips.

So I'm skeptical. Machamp is a little more realistic.
 
Neki, Gengar has always been pretty hit or miss. His success reallly depends on which techs are used. Yeah, Pluff is going to be a kind of uphill, but Queen + belt can power through at least two of them if you flip tails with Fainting Spell. I'm going to play test this guy once the format change happens.

Heuglin, definitely.

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Yeah. Machamp is gonna be beasty, but I think Donphan's better.
 
Gengar SF + the new Vileplume might be worth considering. Until Gengar prime comes out, this deck could definitely be good.
 
Kayle said:
So I'm skeptical. Machamp is a little more realistic.
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How come? They're both Stage 2's with 1-energy attacks with can both utilise Call. They should have the same consistency in this format, and in MD-Onwards.

This card looks incredibly good next format for the reasons the original poster stated. no claydol to cycle trainers out of the hand, more uxies to target due to people having to drop multiples on the field (and with no unown g to protect them) and that ever-present Fainting Spell. When you add the fact that Gegnar prime is also being released, the deck gets even better (not many hands are going to have no pokemon for gengar prime to lost zone AND T/S/S to poltergeist in them!). And to top it all off, Gengar still has its Lv X, and Cursegar and Spiritomb. Watch out for it next format!

(oh and just for the record there's a Mr.Mime coming out next set which has the same Poke-Power as Noctowl, only it's a basic)
 
uuuufff said:
How come? They're both Stage 2's with 1-energy attacks with can both utilise Call. They should have the same consistency in this format, and in MD-Onwards.
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Except Machamp wins much more quickly than Gengar does. Gengar actually has to maintain a swarm in most of its games to be effective; Machamp can usually get out one, maybe two, and take the game from there. (Take Out + Hurricane Punch is more than most decks can take anyway.)
 
I dunno about the Gengar vs. Jumpluff thing. That comes out to be fairly even in my testing, maybe slightly in Gengar's favor since Jumpluff has to play around Fainting Spell, and Gengar SF is still great at shooting down Claydols. It's also plausible for Gengar to get OHKO's using Poltergeist, since Pluff tends to have a hand full of Trainers anyway.

As for the other next format decks, I could see Gengar having a positive matchup in general toward most Luxchomp builds, and being beaten more often than not by Sablock. Both Sableye and Honchkrow can donk lone Gastly, so it's not too out there to say it's a problem.
 
Yeah, Poltergiest only needs three items in the hand of a Pluff player to OHKO it. Pitch Dark is still going to be great as well.
 
Mach said:
I dunno about the Gengar vs. Jumpluff thing. That comes out to be fairly even in my testing, maybe slightly in Gengar's favor since Jumpluff has to play around Fainting Spell, and Gengar SF is still great at shooting down Claydols. It's also plausible for Gengar to get OHKO's using Poltergeist, since Pluff tends to have a hand full of Trainers anyway.

As for the other next format decks, I could see Gengar having a positive matchup in general toward most Luxchomp builds, and being beaten more often than not by Sablock. Both Sableye and Honchkrow can donk lone Gastly, so it's not too out there to say it's a problem.
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Honchkrow might have a little problem donking a lone Gastly due to Pitch Dark. Sableye however is a jerk and will always be one.
Vileplume might hold the key to a powerful Gengar deck next format. On the other hand, Kingdra Prime can definitely help as well in taking those cheap Azelf/Uxie prizes.
 
If this is any indication, Gengar and Machamp have sold out on Troll and Toad over the last three days.
 
I just checked out that new Vileplume and I feel like I can say that if Gengar/ Vileplume isn't a top tier deck, it will definitely be close. Vileplume's got 120 hp, making it really difficult to OHKO.

For those who don't know, there's a Vileplume coming out in the next set or the one after, whose Poke'body makes it so neither player can play trainers from their hand.

If you can somehow make Gengar + Plume and Kingdra work you've got a serious deck. Kingdra may not even be so necessary.
 
I'd go either Gengar/Plume OR Gengar/Kingdra, running 3 stage 2's seems akin to suicide to me. Both varieties play differently - the Plume variety will blast out huge Poltergeists, while the Kingdra variety focuses on easy prizes and perhaps a Compound Pain later on.
 
Well, getting out 2 stage 2's consitently without Claydol and only using trainers and Uxie will be diffffffficult.
 
Personally I believe it will gain more popularity just because of the lack of unown G. Atleast initially in the season it will be stupid popular.
 
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