Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Judge giving penalties without proof

Mama_Luigi

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Ok, so at day 2 of nats today, I was facing someone who seemed to be cheating. I had 2 claydols out. I have 3 cards in my hand: a pokemon, a pokemon communication and something else. I start my turn by drawing a card, communicationing for garchomp c x and announce cosmic bottom 2 for 4. He waits until I draw my cards then immediatly calls the judge over telling him that I had cosmiced 3 times with only 2 dols. The judge listens to his story, ignoring everything I say , and when I tell my opponent that I cosmiced only once, and I had proof (the card directly before communication was a supporter) he tells the judge that I'm lying T_T The judge without any proof gives a prize card penalty and puts the 4 cards on top of my deck randomized. After the judge leaves, my opponent tells me that I had already attachedd (lie) and that the garchomp c basic was played down that turn (super lie) and that he wanted to keep me from misplaying again so he didn't have to call the judge over again. He kept my from cosmicing the rest of the game claiming I had already done it and called over the judge twice more for crappy made up reasons and got a prize card every time without hesitation. I still would've won with the 2 prize card penalties, but I think my opponent realized that which is probably why he called the judge over the third time. After these *misplays* judges start glaring at me and tell me to take it slow so we didn't have to administer more penalties. This whole incident may or may not have kept me out of top cut, but I believe that my opponent made it. Now the whole point of this thread, I want to know... Is it reasonable for judges to give out a penalty when both players don't agree on the situation and the player who is against the penalty has proof?
 
Some of these judges are old people who are power hungry in a childrens card game. It's happened before, it'll happen again. Next time, ask for the head judge when you have an issue.
 
You definitely should have called for the head judge in this situation. Prize card penalties shouldn't be given with out proof.
 
Your opponent was real lucky it wasn't me he was facing or i'd use my right fist to his nose tech...just kidding, i'm a pacifist.

I think that when there is no proof they should go ask other tables to see what happened. Or call the head judge to make the final call.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. Next time I guess I'll call over a head judge. Oh, and off topic, but does anyone know if we need to supply our own energy at the mutant draft tonight?
 
Don't always call the HJ. However, if you feel that the judge in question is wrong/isn't being fair, etc. it's a great idea to call the HJ over just so there's no sour grapes later.

Oh, and if you're worried about it, you can use a marker (I use the F energy symbol from Rumble) as a Claydol marker.
 
I gotta say if you didn't call over a head judge, you have no one to blame but yourself. You didn't do all that you could to prevent a bad ruling. I advise that if you play in a big tournament such as nationals(or ANY tournament ) you look carefully over the floor rules and know your rights as a player.

With that said, I don't see a point in this thread.If the head judge came over and made a bad ruling(he didn't) you would have something here, but all this is, is a sob story
 
I gotta say if you didn't call over a head judge, you have no one to blame but yourself. You didn't do all that you could to prevent a bad ruling. I advise that if you play in a big tournament such as nationals(or ANY tournament ) you look carefully over the floor rules and know your rights as a player.

With that said, I don't see a point in this thread.If the head judge came over and made a bad ruling(he didn't) you would have something here, but all this is, is a sob story

Obviously, let's just say that it's Mama_Luigi's fault that the judge acted like the opponent was his best friend.
Seriously, you are insulting a person for basically getting harassed by a combination of a player and a judge.
Are you seriously going to take that stance on this topic?

"Oh, well, the HJ should know the rulings, so that absolves any other judges from having to know what they are doing."

There are horror stories in regards to judging at big events every year and the correct answer is to learn from it and make sure that there are judges who have actually read the penalty guidelines before.
Attacking the victim is the coward's way out.

Not to sound mean, but I am seriously getting sick of seeing people get attacked on here because they dealt with a bad judge.

Should Mama_Luigi have called for the HJ? Of course.
Does the fact that she didn't excuse the actions of the judge (or the other player)? Not a chance.
 
why do i have the strange feeling that i know Mama_Luigi and he's a guy...



Just checked his profile. We live in the same region and he is a guy...that's how I know him...
 
Don't always call the HJ.

...er. yeah.

But this is supposed to be in the spirit of the classic WA/OR announcements before tournaments: ALWAYS CALL A JUDGE IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM

well, if you still have problems, call the HEAD judge~!
 
As HJ in MAs, no one called me to any table for an appeal with 2 PL penalties in one rd. If you are in MAs, I have the penaly sheets and will review them. Dont recall ANY rd where a player got 2 PC penalties in one rd. As HJ, I would have escalted the 2nd PC penalty to GL in same rd. (If properly shown to be EARNED by the player). Judges don't give penalties, players earn them by sloppy play.

Also, all Judges KNOW that a PL penalty MUST go through the HJ (or 2nd in command) BEFORE it is ever rec'd by the player. Floor judges can only assign warnings and below w/o HJ approval.

If Mama Luigi would PM me with details of who this judge was (or what they looked like), I will respond in private.

Quick lesson learned, any ruling you disagree with can be appealed to the HJ. Use your rights.

Keith
 
K, thanks guys. I'll call the head judge if a situation like this ever happens again. This thread is kind of pointless now, but I just wanted to say one thing....
Should Mama_Luigi have called for the HJ? Of course.
Does the fact that she didn't excuse the actions of the judge (or the other player)? Not a chance.
Should've my username been Papa Luigi? :lol:
 
Your opponent was real lucky it wasn't me he was facing or i'd use my right fist to his nose tech...just kidding, i'm a pacifist.

I think that when there is no proof they should go ask other tables to see what happened. Or call the head judge to make the final call.

i would have been all "ima punch your face in son" haha
 
K, thanks guys. I'll call the head judge if a situation like this ever happens again. This thread is kind of pointless now, but I just wanted to say one thing....

Should've my username been Papa Luigi? :lol:

Sorry about that. lol
I thought that the "Mama" part was a dead giveaway. lol
 
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