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Miscut double sided holo card

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ok a few years ago i bought a double sided card which you can see here
Front
http://pokegym.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=42984&c=16
Back
http://pokegym.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=42985&c=16

Anyway i just got another one on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=400217151954&si=US0G4l4U7hqbQI2J6uR4gs2tCvk%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AX%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1123

besides these 2 cards has anyone come across other cards such as these?
If so when and where and how much did it cost?
 
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besides these 2 cards has anyone come across other cards such as these?
If so when and where and how much did it cost?
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Already asked and answered a couple of years ago. In case you somehow forgot:

1. They were decorations (not an accidental mis-cut card), intentionally made in that manner, for the STS qualifiers.

2. They were at these tournaments when Team Rocket was released.

3. I don't think a decoration such as this is worth anywhere near what you paid.
 
I know they are decoration cards.
But i asked did anyone else come across these kinds of cards either decoration or possible the rare chance of an actual accidental miscut.
when i asked when and where i dident mean the sts tournament i ment the month and year and the location in which the card(s) were purchased.

the magneton/vileplume and the arbok/rainbow energy cards cost about the same price around $100

from 2-3 years ago to now the price for these cards have been about the same.

each card about $100

and there have been several bidders on each auction.

So when does the "bidders" decide the worth. How many auctions have to be to come to that conclusion. I know some auction end really high and thats usually fluke so in this case how many auctions have to be seen to take the bidders word for it.

The pre raichu had 2 sale both over 10k and we took that word for it.
 
The difference is that with the PR Raichu, the buyers were very well educated about the item, and knew what it was, how many of them there were (approximately), and how the collecting community felt about it.

With this card, most of the bidders don't know what it actually is. They don't know how many, potentially, are out there, and they don't know how the collecting community feel about it. They think it is some crazy, wild misprint.

Now, don't get me wrong. I would like to have one of these cards. But it is a $20 card based on what it is.

People on ebay have also paid $60 for a WC Luxray LvX. That doesn't mean that the card is really worth that. It just means that they don't know what it really is.
 
people have offered me alot of money for the magneton card. few hundred to severa hundred dollars.
But i said no, should i have taken their offer?
 
Hmmm...

I'll caveat what I'm about to say because I know nothing about the card or the fact it was a decoration at a STS tournament.

But if people are paying $100+ and the other cards crazypokemon have offers in that region for similar cards, does that not mean the card value is increasing?

It seems to me like the VS card inflation going on at the moment. The cards might just be increasing in value as the Pokémon market because more balanced with prices rising. I don't know whether everyone is just overpaying for these double sided decorations, but if everyone is, that sets the current price.

(Hey I had to agree with crazy sometime!)
 
Well when this decoration card first came to scene i dident think there would more rockets cards.Meaning different rockets cards.
Perhaps theres a possibility an entire rockets set being completed as decorations.

i thought the magneton/vileplume was a 1 card decoration like the 2001 sts. One card was sneasel but there was 4 copies. I originally thought there was 1 magneton/vilplume card with x amount of its copies being made.


I would like to know more about these cards, waynegg said long ago pojo did an article on it but few months ago i emailed them and they said they knew nothing about it.

i was trying to get more info.

So to see 2 different decoration cards perhaps there might be a new rockets set to complete.

Again small possiblity (just hope based on the 2 cards that presented itself)


As for this new card i havent examined to see what "parts" of other cards are on it. i do know dark blastoise is on it and dark wheezing as "parts" of the card.
 
Here's what I know of these cards, and what I think I told you when you first got it:

When you first showed me the card, I was unaware of it. However, I asked Dark Master Trainer Mike, the head of Customer Service for Pokemon at WotC at the time of the STSs, about them.

He informed that they were decorations made for the STSs. There were thousands of them made. Thousands.
What good would one or two or four tiny decorations be for an event like the STS?
No, these were displayed in the thousands.
Now, what happened to these thousands of cards? He didn't know.
Maybe most were destroyed.
Maybe there is a cache of them sitting in some warehouse somewhere.

dogma has a point that if people are consistently paying $X for something, maybe it is worth $X.

But I would feel more comfortable agreeing with that if the people offering that kind of money knew the backstory of what these are.
If they are thinking that they are a misprint, then what they are willing to pay is meaningless. They don't know what they are buying. But if they understand that these were made on purpose, but not for distribution to the public, and they are still willing to pay that much, well, then so be it.

And of course there is a "complete set" of the entire TR holo set. Think about how they made these. They took the standard sheet art, shifted it over a bit, and printed it onto two sides of a regular sheet. Then cut it, causing the cuts to be across the art of 4 cards instead of cleanly inbetween them.
All the Pokemon found on a regular sheet will appear on these cards.
 
Well if thats true than there must be about 100 cards to collect.
After all most sheets have the cards all over the place on the sheet. With about 6-7 copies a card( from a 15-20 card holo complete set perspective range) every front should have a different back then.
So if there is about 6 dark magnetons than there probably would be dark vileplume,dark charizard,dark wheezing,dark blastoise etc as for the backs.

So for every one particular card on the front,all its other copies on the front should have a different back.And visa versa.



@Pokepop I knew there was thousands of them I never said a few copies. I originally thought it was 1 card with a certain amounts of copies.

On youtube I tried to let people know about these kinds of cards so this way people are educated about its history but obviously I cant get the word out to everyone especially with ebay rules is you cant contact other bidders.

So when people bid they think its a severe miscut.

Now even though these were intended to be miscuts and until proving otherwise we can only assume most were destroyed.

So even If thousands were made the fact is there is only a few around which really leans on the price rising in value.

Now If someone did have a warehouse full of them they would be smart to sell them off one by one over time to get the most out of it instead to list it all at once.

But pop can you make it clear to me? Were these cards public, what exactly defines "public"
Because trophy cards came out, everyone knows about them but only a few people got them.

So there cards "are not public" as in not in packs or giveaways or better definition not printed for the majority right?

So the decoration cards are for a certain group meaning not publicly released right?

But pokepop im wondering the STS was a big event and these cards were made for it.
So wouldent a couple of cards from a big event like that equal too or greater than what others believe to be actual severe miscuts?

Maybe this does not matter or important but any reason why they went with a raibow like glossy for the back?
 
Crazy, stop trying to falsely translate what you have to the rarity of a trophy card. If you like what you purchased that is fine, I am happy for you in that regard, but what you purchased is not on the same planet as a trophy card.

First, not everyone knows about trophy cards. Serious collectors do, but I guarantee that most casual collectors/pplayers do not know what trophy cards are unless they stumble upon the gallery here or other references that require specific searches to find. I collected for years without knowing about trophy cards.

Pop already explained what you need to know about these miscuts. Just try and search for more information if possible. I have seen these same cards on ebay in the past. There are similar french cards like this as well that look like they were cut from a sheet but are still connected to other cards. Those french cards have been up for ages with multiple copies.

Point being that the numbers of miscuts/sheets are much greater than trophy cards and the miscuts/sheets do not have the luster, demand, rarity or value of trophy cards.
 
Scott did you even read what i wrote?

I was talking about the idea of trophy cards, i never compared its high value or rarity to it. At least thats not what i was trying to say anyway.

I was talking about the same concept idea.

When the winners won their respective trophy card it was public knowledge but the cards was not released to everyone in the world, only to those that were at the event and met requirements got the card.

Thats what i was asking with this about how he said it was not distribute publicly.
Distribute publicly means everyone or at least a mass majority of the public can get there hands on one.
As for this kind of card it was released at the event.

meaning only way to get it was to be at the event.

Thats what i was asking about "publicly"
the trophy cards like the SSB was at one Event whch you had to be there and meet whatever requrements small or big to obtain them.

as for league promos or movie promos will be all over the states not just exclusive to one ot two locations.

Now of course trophy cards are harder to get because you had to win the contest, im assuming the decoration cards were made for showing up to the event because i hae a hard time believing it was a card given to winners, if that was the case these cards would be more known.

Im guessing these were originally made for whoever showed up and then for whatever reason alot was not given out only a few slipped.

Again scott never compared its rarity or value to trophy, i was just asking is it the same idea as trophy cards. Not given to the mass majority but only exlusive to the participants to met the requirements.

take it easy scott your a little defensive.


edit- Also about miscuts i was asking would a STS decoration card be equal or more than a actual severe miscut.
when i said STS i ment that actual event cards than a actual miscut, again i never compared it to a trophy.
 
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crazypokemon said:
But pop can you make it clear to me? Were these cards public, what exactly defines "public"
Because trophy cards came out, everyone knows about them but only a few people got them.

So there cards "are not public" as in not in packs or giveaways or better definition not printed for the majority right?

So the decoration cards are for a certain group meaning not publicly released right?
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The quote above is what I am referring to. You said EVERYONE knows about trophy cards, that is false.

You also try to define trophy cards as being public and then later state that the card you have is non-public. Furthermore, you say that your miscut is not a giveaway or in packs, trying to distinguish while enhance what you have.

My message was valid and sound, you are trying to embellish yet another gimmick collectible. :nonono:
 
misprint

i have collected things for a long time. i have always looked for harder to find things when i collected. i use to collect hotwheel cars i looked for the rarer cars. once i found a prototype that i got for 20.00 by mistake. i sold that car for 1000.00. it is the same with pokemon or anything else you want to collect. the value of a item is what its worth to the buyer. if they like a item and think its important to thier collection the value goes up. i have several (30+) miscut cards. are they as bad as yours no but they are miscut in ways were the pokemons name is on the botom of the card. i once bought a whole box of cards from a card shop because i pulled a miscut card from a pack. i have 2 of the dialgia errors were the color didnt take and the fire weekness is yellow. this being said i would have paid a lot for these cards mentioned but a collector that is just trying to put a set together wouldnt pay much at all for them. this brings me back to my point. in anything you collect there will always be someone who wants it bad enough to pay for it if they think they need it. if you get 2 people in a auction type setting that think they need it the value goes up. like u said u have had offers of several hundred and a couple hundred. the true value comes from the buyer. to get top dollar you have got to have the right people wanting it, at the right time. u could sell one on ebay today for 100.00 and next week a new collector that just started collecting sees it and says man i got to have that will pay 1000.00 u never know a true value on cards like these but you know they are more rare than most and not as rare as others. this being said the value is greater than a regular card. in my opinion 25-50.00 value on that card.
 
$25-50 is certainly what most everyone agree's on. The value of a card can be accurately estimated.

Like Pop said, if the buyer knew the information on the miscut card it would be a different story. This is not a prototype card, not the sample set, not the pre raichu, not a trophy card, it is a decoration card from an event with 1,000 copies printed.
 
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The quote above is what I am referring to. You said EVERYONE knows about trophy cards, that is false.

You also try to define trophy cards as being public and then later state that the card you have is non-public. Furthermore, you say that your miscut is not a giveaway or in packs, trying to distinguish while enhance what you have.

My message was valid and sound, you are trying to embellish yet another gimmick collectible. :nonono:
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Ok fine not everyone knows about trophy cards but people know more about trophy cards than the decoration cards.

Both the trophy cards and decoration cards are not public cards, Both cards have a certain amount of quantity to them either 3 of a kind or 1000 either way its not something that can spread to the mass majority. Also like i said no one knows wheres the rest of them, they might have very well been destroyed thus leaving only a few left in the world. Again untl proven otherwise its just an assumption.

I was right when i said they werent in packs or giveaways, because these were for the STS tournament, meaning these cards are not found in packs.
They are not giveaway cards because if they were they would be all voer the country.

All give away cards such as promos from leagues,movie theatres, dvds,toys r us, 10th anniversary across america etc all of those hade give aways that can be obtain by the mass majority.

The SSB trophy was at the the tournament it made for, same thing with this the STS decoration card.

neither cards was wide spread, only exclusive to one or two locations. In the trophy cards defense one locations STS defense east coast and west coast at 2 locations.


Im saying the way things happen is very similar,
low number of cards
only a certain number of people have them or know where they are
one tournamnet for a short time many years ago

Never said they were just as rare or just as valuble or just as much as a prize.

i said before they are worth $100 does that sound like a trophy card to you?

I asked pokepop what exactly is considered "public" because im not sure.

I asked does public mean alot of people know about them or does "public" mean anyone can get them.


When i said not publicly i meant that you cant just go to your local store and pick one up.

reread what i wrote, Im not comparing it to a trophy in anyway im just asking if its "like" they way the trophies were release.
at one location, only so many copies and only way to get them is to meet certain requirements.

trophy cards you gotta earn which is why they are high in value to begin with, decoration cards
( assuming you get it just for being there)

I said clearly requirements either big or small meaning the latter.

relax scott and stop attacking im asking questions to pokepop, i never made a statement i asked a question.
 
Crazy, there were 1,000 printed, last time I checked 1,000 is not a low number.

You have the equivalent of a poster from an event.
 
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Why do you have an attitude problem, You been attacking all day and i clearly said relax your getting to emotional about this.

Calm down no need to attack.

Again like i said unless a bunch of these cards show up theres only a couple we know of.
So unless more are release to change the price i think the value is not gonna go down.
 
I am not attacking, I am stating facts about your purchase and your long drawn out pseudo justifications for why you think your purchase is valuable.

Like I said, an event poster is the equivalent of what you purchased. Stop trying to sell it to everyone like it is something else.
 
Scott did you come on here just to argue with me?
Stop it, every thread i make there you are attacking.
Its a community your suppose to help not attack. if you got nothing nice to to say dont say anything at all.
Your opinion is welcome but dont use your opinions to attack ok.
this thread was just fine before you started attacking.
Calm down, take some time to cool off then come back to the thread ok.:thumb:
 
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