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Worst Worlds Ever!

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I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.
 
I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.

Get over yourself. Who are you to say the best players weren't there?!?

Losing on a misplay is better then losing on a sudden death coin flip no?

Nothing in major tournaments? Harrison went 9-0 during US nats and Igor has won Portugal's Nats 4 times in a row.
Now before you go on to say its a small tournament, when was the last time you've ever won the same battle road 4 years in a row?

Even the Jr from Japan won his trip from Japan's nationals, and we can only imagine how hard those tournaments are......

Do you even research how many tournaments each player has played in before you ignorantly complained about them having been in worlds?

If you were planning on making an argument against CP points weight, there are plenty of threads in which you could do that in.,...aside from worlds being in places only the rich can afford? Vancouver certainly isn't hawaii.....


Ive got nothing against Jay, he's a great player. But he didn't make the deck, he never claimed to have done so....even on his nats interview with the top cut he said he was given the idea from his friends.....but that besides the point, people using the same deck as him has nothing to do with anything......
 
I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.

ermahgawd i completly agre wit u i hate this format so much coin flips and luck and nonsense!!!!! my fav player didnt even get an invite and tpci gave invites to da louzy players who only win small tourneys even my son who rank 41st in north america cud win a gazillion city champs and go undefeated in da swiss rounds at nats he deserves the invite way moreeeeeee! and lastly tpci is so ridiculos for holding worlds in hawaii omg are dey stupid or wat the usa has so many competitive players why hold worlds in a tiny island in the middle of nowhere lulz it makes travel more expensive for all of us.... and i thought of darkrai/mewtwo ever since darkri ex was reveled by japan and told my league playerz about it and they posted info all over the internet and never gave credit and nao my invention won worlds!!!! emahg0d tpci is soooo dumb for not givin me an invite since i created the bdif and totally am the best player in the world and those t4 players are just copycats n sore lozers this is truly the worst worlds eever u are a genius pokedad1 i love u
 
ermahgawd i completly agre wit u i hate this format so much coin flips and luck and nonsense!!!!! my fav player didnt even get an invite and tpci gave invites to da louzy players who only win small tourneys even my son who rank 41st in north america cud win a gazillion city champs and go undefeated in da swiss rounds at nats he deserves the invite way moreeeeeee! and lastly tpci is so ridiculos for holding worlds in hawaii omg are dey stupid or wat the usa has so many competitive players why hold worlds in a tiny island in the middle of nowhere lulz it makes travel more expensive for all of us.... and i thought of darkrai/mewtwo ever since darkri ex was reveled by japan and told my league playerz about it and they posted info all over the internet and never gave credit and nao my invention won worlds!!!! emahg0d tpci is soooo dumb for not givin me an invite since i created the bdif and totally am the best player in the world and those t4 players are just copycats n sore lozers this is truly the worst worlds eever u are a genius pokedad1 i love u

I think my sarcasm detector just blew up. :lol:
 
First you give us this-
Why not have grinders in the US?
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=165947


Then you give us this-
Worlds should be east west US yearly
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=166197


Now you give us this-
I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.

Here we go again


The title of this thread is “Worst Worlds Ever!”, for starters, were you even there? Based on the content of this thread and your other threads I am thinking you were not. Have you even ever been to Worlds before? No matter what your answers are, The World Championships include so much more then the players on the main event roster… there is the LCQ, side events, prizes, swag bags, retail store, judges/staff, spectators, the social interaction, the cross-culture interaction, FUN, and so much more. The World Championship, overall, is a once a year EXPERIENCE. For you to say that this Worlds 2012 is the “Worst Worlds Ever!”, just by citing your opinion about the player roster, is an INSULT to THE PLAYERS, TPCI/P!P, and the EVENT itself. In THREE THREADS you have yet to say one thing positive about anything Pokémon related. You are only concerned with invite structure and who won/loss.

Can you PLEASE explain to us which of the "best players" were not at worlds? You are making the claim that the players at Worlds won a "zillion" Battle Roads and Cities and these tournaments are the reason they are there. You have yet in THREE THREADS, where you make the same argument, to provide examples of players who did this. Can you? If you can name these players, can you blame the players? Pokémon set the standards for making it to Worlds. When you make the same point OVER and OVER and for a third time OVER again you are basically telling the players “YOU DON’T DESERVE TO BE THERE”. Is that really a message you want to be sending?

Do you even know who “the best players” are? Have you seen every single player in the world play, no you haven’t. Even if you did how do you measure who is the best players are? Isn't possible that “the best players” were just beat by lesser known, but equally worthy players, and didn't earn an invite to worlds because of it. So often in this game: lesser known, new, or international (from the United States perspective) players have tournament success and the Pokémon community feels robbed because the “big name player” got beat. Is this a game where only the “big names”, “veteran” or the “good local player YOU personally know” can win? When threads like this are created, you question the legitimacy of the tournament especially when: lesser known, new, or international players win. Three non-American players won Worlds in each of the three TCG age divisions this year and the runner ups were virtually unknown at-large in the Pokémon Community as a whole. Most of us had no idea who these players were before today, now we do.

Now to address your gripe about the location of worlds. Yes Hawaii as been inconvenient for the community has a whole, but, there have been SEVEN other World Championships where it has been more convenient, at least for the United States players. No matter where players come from, players could easily drop $500-$1000 for just hotel for 4 to 5 nights. Now if you live within a days drive distance you might be able to save on transportation, but for EVERYONE ELSE, easily more then 80% of the community, you will drop triple digits for air fare, quadruple for most international players. We all know that most players will have to shell out a decent amount of money to attend worlds, there is no way to appease ALL players, especially considering that Worlds is an international game and we (different countries) are THOUSANDS of miles apart. pokedad1, can you at least acknowledge the fact that no matter where Worlds is, that MOST players will face a financially hurdle to get to Worlds and that is not only a “rich” person thing.

Finally your deck issue gripe, this will be quick. This format has a lot of strong basic Pokémon that dominate the format, there are a lot of combinations and variations. Darkrai ex and Mewtwo ex are two of the best cards. It was bound that multiple players will see this combination and roll with it. Just because Jay played it, doesn’t make the deck his.
 
This better be a troll. 7/10 for making me answer

Oh and Igor deserved this win more than anyone else.
 
Jay did ... everyone there basically used his nationals deck and modified it.

He won on a misplay. How did he deserve it?
 
He won on a misplay. How did he deserve it?

He outplayed his opponent. His opponent wasn't fully prepared and made a mistake.

I have no idea how this could possibly be confusing or upsetting to anyone. The idea that the finals game at worlds can be lost by simple misplays ought to be encouraging to people: even the champs make mistakes.
 
Wow..I wish my ego was so big to think that players who used Darkrai, Terrakion and Mewtwo in decks for Nats and Worlds were some how copying what my kid was playing....and even if they were, I would take that as a HUGE compliment to my kids deck building skill.

I 2004 juniors my daughter was the ONLY player playing her deck and she finished in the top 4 at Worlds that year... I was very proud of our deck...and her skills.

Sorry you have sour grapes...its gonna be ok in the long run.
 
Jay did ... everyone there basically used his nationals deck and modified it.

He won on a misplay. How did he deserve it?

He won because he was able to catcher up his opponent's Mewtwo and X-Ball it for his last 2 prizes.

If people modified a deck Jay used then how is it still considered Jay's deck? That's like saying someone playing Eels played Pooka's deck because he won a regionals using it.

I also can't believe you say that the best players weren't at Worlds. I was keeping track of top cut at Jimmy's shop and we were saying how all of the T16 were good players.
 
Ya know when you have the perfect plan to finish the game formulated in your head on how to win you can very quickly get lost in what you're setting up. It really seemed that Harrison knew exactly what it was going to take to finish the game out, and in that "I've got this" haze he lost track of his counts or what he had played. I can't claim to be psychic, but if I were in Harrison's shoes there would've been no misplay in my mind. I played what I thought was the best play, and well in that haze of glory that was the game winning plan I missed something. I feel a lot of sour grapes here.
 
The rules of PokeGym state that every is welcome to post their opinion.

Some opinions are based on experience and understanding, and some come out twisted because they are based on personal bitterness and a total lack of knowledge.

It's easy to see which is which.

Worlds was a fantastic tournament. Igor deserved his win. I think it's incredibly sour and unsporting to suggest otherwise.
 
This guy is trolling so hard. I thought his name rang a bell and, yep, he created those other threads about the LCQ being in the U.S. or whatever. I guess I'll still do everyone the disservice of addressing the OP (which dignifies it, unfortunately), because it slightly annoys me.

1. These players were at Worlds, competing in Masters:
- Jason Klaczynski (2x Worlds winner)
- Ross Cawthon (2x Worlds runner-up)
- Kyle Sucevich (2x Nationals finalist, 2x Nationals T4)
- Harrison Leven (Regionals winner, Nationals T16)
- Tom Dolezal (too many accomplishments to name)
- Sami Sekkoum (Xx UK Nationals winner)
- Esa Juntunen (Xx FI Nationals winner)
- Yuta Komatsuda (Worlds winner)
- Zach Lesage (runs Canada)
- Miska Saari (Worlds winner)
- David Cohen (Worlds winner)
- John Roberts II (Nationals winner)
- Tommy Roberts (European CP leader, IIRC)
- Curran Hill (Worlds winner)
- Kevin Nance (Nationals runner-up)
- Frank Diaz (Worlds T4)
- Jay Hornung (Worlds T4, Nationals T4)
- Michael Pramawat (Worlds runner-up)

...And that list just scratches the surface. I'm curious as to who wasn't there that you consider the "best players." Chris Fulop doesn't play, Seena Ghaziaskar doesn't play. Holton and Yamato failed to grind in. That leaves... you? Okay.

2. Not even worth bothering to mention Juniors and Seniors. Those age divisions mean absolutely nothing. If your kid couldn't muster the points for an invite (didn't read your previous threads, but I'm assuming this to be the case), he's not good enough to warrant one. I agree that the CP system needs to be fixed, but in the lower age divisions pretty much all you have to do is show up at tournaments.

3. Again, you forget that the United States is not the only country in the world that TPCi considers. Japan and Europe both have player bases that are almost as big as, if not bigger than, ours. If you put Worlds smack dab in the middle of the U.S., that's a pretty big "screw you" to them. Hawaii is a compromise between the U.S. and Japan, and a fair one. It's unfortunate that they seem to have scrapped Florida, but that's more unfair to the Euro players than it is to us.

4. No, Jay should not have been given the trophy, and it wasn't "his deck." Do your research.

Okay.
 
I find it frankly outrageous this thread is allowed to exist. He is insulting EVERY player that competed at the 2012 World Championships, especially the Champions.

Anyway....For your information-

The Junior World Champion picked a perfect deck for the Junior's meta, as well as winning a Battle Carnival to even get here. You tell me he isn't worthy?

The Senior World Champion played solidly all year.

The Master World Champion won Portugal's Nationals 4 years IN A ROW. I don't care how small your Nationals is, you don't see anybody winning the same Battle Road 4 times in a row....

Now, above all...All 3 players outplayed all 11 opponents they faced. 11 of this years best players. To undermine that is a grave insult at best.

A thread marring the name of a single Japanese player was closed...Why does a thread insulting the achievements of everyone who competed at Worlds this year get to stay?

The rules say anyone is allowed to post their opinion...but it also says personal attacks aren't allowed.
2. Not even worth bothering to mention Juniors and Seniors. Those age divisions mean absolutely nothing. If your kid couldn't muster the points for an invite (didn't read your previous threads, but I'm assuming this to be the case), he's not good enough to warrant one. I agree that the CP system needs to be fixed, but in the lower age divisions pretty much all you have to do is show up at tournaments.

You are so wrong on so many levels I could take a day to write it all out...

Juniors and Seniors don't matter TO YOU, and frankly most masters. I can't blame you for this. The level of play IS lower, and the avg skill is less. That doesn't mean that they completely DON'T MATTER. To say so undermines the skill of every one (few as they are) that could stomp all over 95% of the masters. Ignorance WREAKS from that statement.

I agree that his kid didn't win enough.(State, City, T64 Nats per the other threads.

Now....You don't just have to "show up" to get an invite...What do you think we are, Europe? (No offense, but I did talk to almost 40 Europeans who said it pretty much was a matter of showing up and doing decently to get an invite). It is harder than you give it credit for. It may be easier to win (It is, I'll give you that), but you have to win MORE because the CP threshold is higher. Check P! Points vs CP and tell me how closely they relate. It is closer than masters, but still not all that close.


Yes, I'm tired and on my phone this morning. Sorry if that conveys.
 
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Jay did ... everyone there basically used his nationals deck and modified it.

He won on a misplay. How did he deserve it?

He made fewer mistakes than his opponents... isn't that what winning a competition is really about?
Who in all honesty is able to play perfectly game in game out in a game of incomplete information where you can't see your opponent's hand...?

This whole thread sounds like sour grapes..
 
I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.

Who are you, anonymous? Why dont you show yourself instead of hiding in fear, huh?

The best players were CLEARLY at worlds. The top 16 was the most difficult top 16 in a LONG time, if not ever. Harrison had a ton of different plays (you probably didn't see them, Harrison is A LOT better than you), and chose his own way of winning the game. Things happen. Most of the players there did nothing? Okay, Michael Pramawat worlds runner up 2010? Dylan Bryan 7-2's nats every year, drops to save invite etc plays in worlds every year, Harrison tears through FL (the toughest place to play) the whole year, then we have a ton of others? Jay is a great player, but don't be bitter that he lost. You're indirectly making Jay look like an ***. I don't think he would like that very much.

Gooby, please.
 
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