BRAutumn: no top cut

[rokman]

What's hilarious is most TO's are in the dark about the CP distribution too!

 

[Son_of_Apollo]

They're the TOs... the folks who run your events. They should have the heads up on everyone else.

This is a bad post. You gave no reasoning at all.

In a perfect world, we would both get the information early. TO's need to prepare, but so do players. Why hold back information from the players for no good reason?

 

[LionheartEX]

Actually the PTO's are told first then latter the TO's are informed, then the players last.

Well naturally right, I just meant anyone with a TO status, PTO or otherwise. PTO would get the info first.

My main point is that they should. It allows them to better construct their events.

---------- Post added 08/30/2012 at 04:16 PM ----------

This is a bad post. You gave no reasoning at all.

In a perfect world, we would both get the information early. TO's need to prepare, but so do players. Why hold back information from the players for no good reason?

Because a TO organizing an event properly is more important than a player deciding their 2(?) points isn't worth travelling for? I mean, It beats no event at all, or a poorly ran one.

 

[GodBlessAmerica]

What is the reason for giving the information to PTOs before players? Players need to know whether or not they want to travel to tournaments in advance just like PTOs need the info in order to prepare their events

 

[ShuckleLVX]

What is the reason for giving the information to PTOs before players? Players need to know whether or not they want to travel to tournaments in advance just like PTOs need the info in order to prepare their events

PTO's need to schedule tournaments before players can plan to travel to them.

Does that mean PTO's deserve the information first? Maybe, maybe not. But they have to be a link in the chain before players, and if information flows down the chain, that makes sense.

 

[rokman]

What does championship point distribution even have to do with TO's preparing for their event????? They're going to prepare the event the exact same way, with or without CP information.

 

[Mykel]

PTO's need to schedule tournaments before players can plan to travel to them.

Does that mean PTO's deserve the information first? Maybe, maybe not. But they have to be a link in the chain before players, and if information flows down the chain, that makes sense.

Why do they have to be before players? Yes, they need extra time to actually organize the tournaments, that is true. But why can't both parties get the information early, at the same time? Do the TOs magically lose time when the players find out or something? As said, players also have to prepare. I can't decide the day before an event if I'm going to drive out and attend when I get the information posted at like 10pm. People have lives to schedule around.

 

[ShuckleLVX]

There's a reason I didn't quote anyone but GBA. My response was to his post, his comment about players planing travel. Context, fellows. If you're going to be as hostile towards good people as you have been in this thread, you may want to keep things in context, and take the time to understand the whole post. "Maybe, maybe not" is a pretty big part of mine.

 

[tinox6]

You know, you've convinced me. Next time we will just keep our yaps shut until the official announcement.:thumb:

YES!!! Now you get it. Thank you for coming to this conclusion. :smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

 

[GodBlessAmerica]

There's a reason I didn't quote anyone but GBA. My response was to his post, his comment about players planing travel. Context, fellows. If you're going to be as hostile towards good people as you have been in this thread, you may want to keep things in context, and take the time to understand the whole post. "Maybe, maybe not" is a pretty big part of mine.

my point still stands. Give the information to PTOs and players at the same time, there is no good reason for 1 party to get info before the other. Players need to plan on whether or not they want to go to certain events just as much as PTOs need to know how to plan them.

 

[rokman]

There's a reason I didn't quote anyone but GBA. My response was to his post, his comment about players planing travel. Context, fellows. If you're going to be as hostile towards good people as you have been in this thread, you may want to keep things in context, and take the time to understand the whole post. "Maybe, maybe not" is a pretty big part of mine.

Did I quote you? Who said I was even talking directly to you?

 

[BlisseyRocks]

I cant believe the stuff im reading in this thread. This isnt the same caring pokemon community i was in a couple years back. The guy helps us out by atleast telling us we arent traveling for no championship points this weekend, and you guys attack him like he did something wrong? He didnt have to do it, you should be thankful we arent in the dark completely.

I for one, dont really mind the changes to the battle roads at all. Mind you, i've never won a tournament undefeated. Ever. I consider myself mr. x-2 because im usually x-2. If anything this change hurts people like me who lose in swiss but make up for it in cut. I dont mind the change because i hate staying a couple extra hours at an event like a battle roads.

You guys have free tournaments(no other legitimate tcg has free tournaments) and a mostly friendly enviroment with very little vulgarity and theft. This is literally the cleanest TCG out of all of the ones on top. I dont mind you guys whining for information, but to ATTACK the dude that helps you is just plain disgusting. I hope some of you realize how ridiculous you're being and apologize to him. He's only helping you guys out.

 

[tinox6]

I have this crazy notion that people should always make an effort to treat each other with respect and tact if they want to be taken seriously especially if they are angry. But hey, maybe that's just me.

I think the issue is that players feel disrespected too by the appearance of lackadaisical communication by tcpi. I personally feel like the company has written laws against itself that prevent it from functioning in a way that efficiently communicates with its players. Perhaps you guys are all really working hard to get everything to us as quickly as possible, but it seems like your own rules do not allow you to tell us about that process, so we'll never know....And the lack of change, or even attempted change, in this system of communication hurts us players.

We feel monopolized, we feel talked down to, we feel insignificant, and there's nothing we can do about it except voice our concerns. So some of us may seem rude, some of us may seem respectfully concerned, some of us may support everything you do. But please, do not play the victim card and talk about a lack of respect. In turn, it would be best to address as many of our concerns as possible, and to consider changing the way operations and communications function. But you have no competitor, and you have a loyal fan base, so we have no choice of which company's tournaments we go to and you ultimately do not have to change anything. So the most likely outcome is that we will be given some NDA reason, or something like that, and we will feel disrespected. If any result surfaces aside from this, I, as well as the rest of your player base, will feel honored.

This is nothing against you, or anyone personally, merely my perspective and feelings. I hope you can seriously take this into consideration.

Respectfully,

Guy

 

[Cyrus]

Dan/Biggie, re my question earlier: although you say we can't know about the internal workings in response to an earlier post, can you offer up some smidgeons of info? I'd imagine that if partial leaking of the CP structure is allowed, then partial leaking of P!P's internal workings could also be be allowed (assuming said leak doesn't breach anything).

As a fan, I want to side with P!P when appropriate, but it's honestly very difficult to justify year in and year out when we're constantly offered incomplete pictures of seasons going into them. Helping us "get" how you guys work is going to help the brand name in the long run because it'll promote more loyal customers, contributors, and volunteers, and justify the expenses associated with Battle Roads Week One. Please understand how difficult it is for a fan to put tangible or intangible value on a tournament when he/she doesn't even know what it'll mean in the long run.

 

[LionheartEX]

I cant believe the stuff im reading in this thread. This isnt the same caring pokemon community i was in a couple years back. The guy helps us out by atleast telling us we arent traveling for no championship points this weekend, and you guys attack him like he did something wrong? He didnt have to do it, you should be thankful we arent in the dark completely.

I for one, dont really mind the changes to the battle roads at all. Mind you, i've never won a tournament undefeated. Ever. I consider myself mr. x-2 because im usually x-2. If anything this change hurts people like me who lose in swiss but make up for it in cut. I dont mind the change because i hate staying a couple extra hours at an event like a battle roads.

You guys have free tournaments(no other legitimate tcg has free tournaments) and a mostly friendly enviroment with very little vulgarity and theft. This is literally the cleanest TCG out of all of the ones on top. I dont mind you guys whining for information, but to ATTACK the dude that helps you is just plain disgusting. I hope some of you realize how ridiculous you're being and apologize to him. He's only helping you guys out.

^ This.

It's just a few spoiled individuals who think they're entitled to information when they want it. Most of us are pretty grateful for the information provided.

 

[tinox6]

Obviously everyone should be treated with respect, but the disrespect of some does not delegitimize the concerns voiced by the respectful others who share the same concerns, nor does it mean that the concerned are in the minority. Judging from this thread, it's difficult to tell who the minority is, and ultimately, if there truly is a problem, it does not matter.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

my point still stands. Give the information to PTOs and players at the same time, there is no good reason for 1 party to get info before the other. Players need to plan on whether or not they want to go to certain events just as much as PTOs need to know how to plan them.

PTOs and TOs require the information well in advance about events, such as how many they're allotted, how many people they need to prepare for and etc. It's a much longer process than a player or group of players planning on when and where they want to go to events, as they need to do that, but with more events, they also have to reserve locations, and manage their event staff for the events.

Remember (and this goes for everyone in the topic really) there is a lot more going on behind the curtain than we players know and realize, and much less can they be so easily changed, as what's the point in policy if they bend it at every opportunity.

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

I typically keep my mouth shut about controversial issues because of my business, but in this case I feel like I have to say that I'm really disappointed by this thread.

I played in the first non-WOTC World Championship (2004), and have made something like 4,000 posts on this message board. In all of my time as a member of this community, never have I witnessed such righteous indignation and such entitlement as I have witnessed in this thread. And trust me, all you people that started playing in DP-on, I've seen a lot of stupid PokéDrama come and go before your PokéLives even got started.

This takes the cake.

No one here has a right to know anything about TCPi's internal structure or decision making procedures. If you have grievances, you should express them in a productive and meaningful way. Calling hard-working people "terrible at [their] job" (etc...) is:

A) Mean
B) Ineffective and
C) Incorrect

Pokémon organized play has defied the laws of TCG physics by surviving this long. That is due in no small part to the planning and coordination of TCPi's team. Give them some credit for keeping a game alive that was supposed to be dead a long time ago.

I'm not going to sit here and argue that I think TCPi handles everything the right way. I don't. But if I wanted to express my thoughts on the matter (which, by the way, I don't), I wouldn't do it by attacking the only people who could possibly use my feedback to affect change.

You want more communication? You want more community involvement? Good luck after a thread like this. Good luck working with people who you've just insinuated are incompetent at their jobs.

I mean, it's just ludicrous.

TCPi should have had this information ready long ago. Raise your hand if you know why the information was not ready and/or released prior to now?

I don't see any hands...

We don't know. We have no idea. Even if Dave or whomever wanted to tell us why, I strongly doubt they would have the legal right (or the ethical standing) to do so. People above them set the culture of the company and develop the protocol that everyone within the company follows.

We just don't know.

Evidence supporting the argument that information needs to be released early may help affect that change for the future. Calling someone a piece of turd probably will not help affect any change.

So I guess the question is: Do you want to vent on the internet or do you want to make a difference and handle yourself with a certain degree of decorum?

 

[rokman]

I've never been known to subscribe to "handling myself with a degree of decorum"

and I ain't startin' now!

:thumb:





I don't have time or the patience to carefully word what I'm really thinking/wanting to stay, so that I don't hurt somebody's sensitive feelings. Heh

 

[TheDancingPeanut]

I've never been known to subscribe to "handling myself with a degree of decorum"

and I ain't startin' now!

:thumb:

Just anf FYI that I wasn't directing my comments at you personally or anyone else in particular.
It was just a general rant.

---------- Post added 08/30/2012 at 02:58 AM ----------

I don't have time or the patience to carefully word what I'm really thinking/wanting to stay, so that I don't hurt somebody's sensitive feelings. Heh

I have a lot of respect for people who speak thir minds and who aren't afraid to address tough topics. And I have respect for you in this regard.

However, I'm not sure the approach you've used here is an effective one. That said, I really wasn't responding to you personally, but to what I saw as the general tone of the thread.