Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[vegitalian]

Ok, so I googled OMGUS and came up with this: Office of Military Government, United States

Is this right?

 

[Kayle]

Try "OMGUS mafia".

OMGUS refers to trying to counter another person's argument by claiming that they're stupid or that by voting for you they're making a mistake. "OMG YOU SUCK" being the implication, and thus, the acronym (omg u suck).

ProTipz.

 

[Absoltrainer]

"I want to go back to this post. If vegitalian is a wolf, than I would STRONGLY suggest we target Vablakes next. If vegitalian flips wolf that it would not be a stretch that he assumed Vablakes was going down was banking on Vablakes flipping wolf so he could go after me next using that as a basis."

Sound logic, actually. I'm not a wolf, so it doesn't apply, but I see where you're coming from. The question is, what is the reaction when I flip townie? If I get killed by the wolves and flip townie? Could draw a lot more suspicion to you. Only one way to find out, I guess.

You should worry about getting lynched today, not getting killed by the wolves at night (though being a wolf yourself, you shouldn't worry bout that). Are you trying to scare me? I told you, I have nothing to fear from wolves.

 

[vegitalian]

You should worry about getting lynched today, not getting killed by the wolves at night (though being a wolf yourself, you shouldn't worry bout that). Are you trying to scare me? I told you, I have nothing to fear from wolves.

You have nothing to fear from wolves? So you're either saying that you're a wolf, somehow protected, or not a threat? Well, you're extremely vocal, so I'm guessing you're a large enough threat to the wolves (if you are town-aligned). We're left with two options: some sort of protected role or wolf.

I'm not trying to scare you; just recommending you keep an open mind if you are a townie. Killing off other townies makes it a lot harder to win - we still have 5 days left.

 

[ProHawk]

You should worry about getting lynched today, not getting killed by the wolves at night (though being a wolf yourself, you shouldn't worry bout that). Are you trying to scare me? I told you, I have nothing to fear from wolves.

Absol maybe you missed the point and he is calling all of us on his wagon wolves?

what is the reaction when I flip townie? If I get killed by the wolves and flip townie?

 

[Absoltrainer]

You have nothing to fear from wolves? So you're either saying that you're a wolf, somehow protected, or not a threat? Well, you're extremely vocal, so I'm guessing you're a large enough threat to the wolves (if you are town-aligned). We're left with two options: some sort of protected role or wolf.

You're putting words into my mouth, role-fishing, and trying to call me a wolf again. I never said any of that; I simply said I have nothing to fear from wolves. I said that in response to you trying to scare me into what “might happen if you flip town.” I’m not scared of that. Anymore read into that statement is silly. You’re making assumptions off something I said and putting words into my mouth without a basis of fact or truth. You should worry more about defending yourself which you have failed to do again and again, you have made no case for your own township, and rather you have pointed fingers and tried to cast dirt on others. I’m having a lot of fun with this though so if you would like to continue this dance, I will be more than happy to accommodate.

 

[ProHawk]

My initial post did not post him in a bad light - at least that was not my intention.

Ok, assume that I am a wolf:
-I list myself as defending SS7 and Tables
-I get lynched, flip wolf
-Tables and SS7 become targets

The reasoning behind posting what I posted is that one of the following scenarios take place:
a) Player X dies, flips townie... Player Y and Z that defended Player X's credibility are also revealed as likely townies and avoid the lynch vote
b) Player A dies, flips wolf... Player B and C that defended Player A have a higher likelihood of being wolves

That was my logic, and reasoning as a townie to share the information I had collected.

If you flip wolf, I have no intention of targeting Tables and SS7 on that premise alone. From my experience, wolves tend to distance themselves from other wolves, not defend them.

 

[vegitalian]

Absol maybe you missed the point and he is calling all of us on his wagon wolves?

I specifically said that I think Kayle is town, and that your link to him is a moot point. I'm not calling all of you on my wagon 'wolves' (none of you actually - I haven't voted).

 

[Absoltrainer]

If you flip wolf, I have no intention of targeting Tables and SS7 on that premise alone. From my experience, wolves tend to distance themselves from other wolves, not defend them.

This will be the third time I've noted this, but I really think it holds water.

Vegetalian's predicament is where it is now because he was trying to subtly smear me and plant the seeds that I may be a wolf if Vablakes flips wolf because I “defended him,” which of course was false information. I called him out and it has led us here. I believe that Vegetalian was banking on Vablakes going down and flipping wolf and was planning to use what he was saying about me “defending” Vablakes as a platform to target me.

This is further cemented by this:

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b) Player A dies, flips wolf... Player B and C that defended Player A have a higher likelihood of being wolves

If (when) Vegetalian flips wolf I STRONGLY suggest we go after Vablakes either during the night, or during the next day.

 

[vegitalian]

This will be the third time I've noted this, but I really think it holds water.

Vegetalian's predicament is where it is now because he was trying to subtly smear me and plant the seeds that I may be a wolf if Vablakes flips wolf because I “defended him,” which of course was false information. I called him out and it has led us here. I believe that Vegetalian was banking on Vablakes going down and flipping wolf and was planning to use what he was saying about me “defending” Vablakes as a platform to target me.

This is further cemented by this:


If (when) Vegetalian flips wolf I STRONGLY suggest we go after Vablakes either during the night, or during the next day.

OK, here's where your logic is wrong (re: "targeting" you):

I listed a NUMBER of people that defended Vablakes - you actually voted for him.

Vablakes
-> Defended by pokemonplayer101
-> Defended by Absoltrainer at first - then voted by AT
-> Defended by JewelQuest
-> Defended by StrongRhino
-> Defended by Sandslash7

"Then voted by AT" makes the whole thing rhetorical for you. You voted for him, so if Vablakes went down and flipped wolf, how would I get anyone to suspect you as a wolf off of that??? If anything, it shows that early in, you voted for Vablakes - why would you vote for another wolf so early into the game as a wolf yourself? There is no logic to your theory. I don't know or have any connection to Vablakes, so you voting for him means nothing to me. Good luck getting me to flip wolf!

Like I said, keep an open mind. You seem hell bent on a witch hunt (with 5 days left!) with very little information. Plenty more will unfold this week.

 

[Absoltrainer]

Like I said, keep an open mind. You seem hell bent on a witch hunt (with 5 days left!) with very little information. Plenty more will unfold this week.

You seem hell bent to ignore all the information I gave you.

I specifically said that I think Kayle is town, and that your link to him is a moot point. I'm not calling all of you on my wagon 'wolves' (none of you actually - I haven't voted).

You calling me scummy:

I'm not going to outright vote you (yet), but your overreaction seems a bit scummy.

Me explaining what you are doing:

There’s that “indirect” accusation again. The same thing I pointed out before.

and here:

You simply try to throw suspision on to someone else. You even did an indirect (without actually voting) OMGUS on myself AND Kayle AND Prohawk.

Anyways, I see what you’re doing and it won’t work. You’re trying to keep my talking, hoping I slip and say something. I won’t, all I have to do it keep shooting down you’re points, but you are welcome to keep trying.

 

[ProHawk]

why would you vote for another wolf so early into the game as a wolf yourself? There is no logic to your theory.

Why is this concept so difficult for quite a few of you here? Wolves need town-cred. That is how they survive the lynch. Voting for another wolf as another wolf will give you that credit when the wolf you voted for flips. Doing it now (so early into the game) when you need 20+ votes for an actual lynch only makes it all the easier to bus (voting/attacking your scum-partner) without consequence. Low-risk, High-Reward tactic.

 

[vegitalian]

That's the point though - you're going out of your way to shoot down my points, not keeping an open mind, and succumbing to confirmation bias. You're either a really good wolf, or a really stubborn townie.

 

[Absoltrainer]

That's the point though - you're going out of your way to shoot down my points, not keeping an open mind, and succumbing to confirmation bias. You're either a really good wolf, or a really stubborn townie.

I'd say I'm a really good townie and I'd say you're a really stubborn wolf. Speaking of shooting down your points, I noticed that every time I shoot one down, you watch it crash to the ground and blow up, then lauch another five more hoping the results will change.

An analogy. I am Anit-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) and you are the Air-Force, and you keep sending planes into my fields of fire hoping that even though my rounds tore through every wave so far, maybe they won't this time.

You are going out of your way to NOT counter any of my points. Meanwhile I've countered all your points, and you never even counter-countered my counter points. Thus why you have already lost this battle.

 

[vegitalian]

I'd say I'm a really good townie and I'd say you're a really stubborn wolf. Speaking of shooting down your points, I noticed that every time I shoot one down, you watch it crash to the ground and blow up, then lauch another five more hoping the results will change.

An analogy. I am Anit-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) and you are the Air-Force, and you keep sending planes into my fields of fire hoping that even though my rounds tore through every wave so far, maybe they won't this time.

You are going out of your way to NOT counter any of my points. Meanwhile I've countered all your points, and you never even counter-countered my counter points. Thus why you have already lost this battle.

That's exactly what a stubborn townie would say (or a good wolf?). I will counter your points tomorrow, when I have more energy. Notice I used the correct version of 'your'? Here's an analogy: I'm the Washington Post, and you're the Chinese take-out menu.

 

[Absoltrainer]

That's exactly what a stubborn townie would say (or a good wolf?). I will counter your points tomorrow, when I have more energy. Notice I used the correct version of 'your'? Here's an analogy: I'm the Washington Post, and you're the Chinese take-out menu.

I eagerly await it.

 

[Kayle]

This is ridiculous. At this rate you two are going to create some absurd number of full pages of uselessness that will destroy any attempt at useful conversation. We have four to five full days of discussion left before we need to come to a decision, and you are going to prevent that discussion from taking place.

AT, you are a smug little troll-child on a playground. Cut it out, I'd have expected better from you. Vegitalian, quit while you might still have some semblance of hope left.

Unvote: Vegitalian

 

[Absoltrainer]

This is ridiculous. At this rate you two are going to create some absurd number of full pages of uselessness that will destroy any attempt at useful conversation. We have four to five full days of discussion left before we need to come to a decision, and you are going to prevent that discussion from taking place.

AT, you are a smug little troll-child on a playground. Cut it out, I'd have expected better from you. Vegitalian, quit while you might still have some semblance of hope left.

Unvote: Vegitalian

-You want me to cut out calling out Vegitalian? Why? I'm having fun and he's incriminating himself further. He started it by trying to start a smear campaign against me.

-How is it useless conversation? I think we've learned a lot about Vegitalian from this.

-Are you saying I should not have argued with Vegitalian? I went out of my way to accuse a person of being a wolf and they attempted to fight back by calling me a wolf, taking things I say out of context, lying, ignoring my points and accusation. I reacted accordingly and argued my point, countered his points, and countered 30 more of his points. I did nothing wrong.

-Why should Vegitalian stop? he should keep going, maybe he'll save himself (doubtful). He said he was going to counter my points tomorrow and I expect him to. I then expect to tear those points apart to further incriminate him.

-I’m trying to find and accuse a suspicious person of being a wolf. To me that’s useful conversation. What would you consider useful conversation? Apparently the accuser and the accused arguing is useless to you. Why is it useless exactly? Why do you want to stop the accused and accuser from arguing? That’s not very useful, in fact that seems to be the opposite of useful.

 

[SMP88]

That's exactly what a stubborn townie would say (or a good wolf?). I will counter your points tomorrow, when I have more energy. Notice I used the correct version of 'your'? Here's an analogy: I'm the Washington Post, and you're the Chinese take-out menu.

I failed to see where he used the wrong version of 'your'. Anyway, vegitalian, I'm not sure what you're (correct version :smile doing, but it's looking quite scummy. You can't defend your points, you're backtracking and getting emotional, and then you try to defend yourself by using grammar? Grammar that you're not even right on nonetheless?

Also, for now I believe that vablakes just read Cabd's "guide" and tried something from there. He's still near the top of my scum/watch list, but vegitalian is at the top right now.

Unvote: vablakes
Vote: vegitalian

 

[DragonClyne725]

This is ridiculous. At this rate you two are going to create some absurd number of full pages of uselessness that will destroy any attempt at useful conversation. We have four to five full days of discussion left before we need to come to a decision, and you are going to prevent that discussion from taking place.

Agreed. So far, this back and forth banter between AT and vegitalian has managed to halt all other discussion and scumhunting, and if it keeps up, it will lead to people not wanting to post and get caught in between the two opposing forces by taking sides.

AT has made logical arguments, and as far as I've seen, vegitalian hasn't been able to refute them. But we can't let this dispute stop discussion.

I hold my vote for vegitalian as I still find his list scummy, and his responses to pressure scummy as well.

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Not necessarily. I'll note that I said "I never said Tables was suspicious." Jpulice read that into my post himself. As did you. These things are important to note.

I'll reiterate to be clear on my thoughts on Tables. I'm wary of someone plopping meta ideas into a game without specific in-game evidence (or relevant data). I'm bothered by the way he did it. Am I suspicious? I'd chose a term closer to wary. I have seen little of Tables' play and do not have much to read him on.

Alright, you never used the specific word "suspicious", but your questioning him did imply that you were suspicious.

"Suspicious" -inclined to suspect
"Wary" -watchful; being on one's guard against danger
"Bothered" -to give trouble to; annoy; pester; worry
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Sounds like the same mumbo-jumbo to me.

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You want me to cut out calling out Vegitalian? Why? I'm having fun and he's incriminating himself further. He started it by trying to start a smear campaign against me.

Well, you said it yourself just a few posts ago in your "AAA analogy", where you claimed that vegitalian will just keep throwing points out for you to shoot down. While it may be fun for you to refute everything that comes your way, it leaves out the other 43 of us who are trying to scum hunt as well.

Personally, I think you've made your point against vegitalian, but if you really want to keep railing him just for the fun of it then there's really not much I can do to stop you.