Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!
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Diaz
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Summarize for me, why we should do that.
Basically, he acted super scummy early on, overly aggressive with random "reads" on people. Then when people started putting pressure on him, the whole AT vs vegi debacle started and he kept awfully quiet.
I find him very scummy. But what do I know, you should look at him yourself
Not sure how this semi clears him. I could come out and say that I'm Lancelot, doesn't mean anything. You take his word for it after 2 people claim to have characters from the same dimension and only half an hour taking place. At the very least wait a little bit so that others can post before saying he's not a wolf.
It also doesn't help that Human Destroyer and Sheepbro were the 2 people to claim being from the same dimension. HD has been slightly iffy all game, then votes for vegi. As soon as vegi char claims he takes vegi's side and switches his vote. Sheepbro also agrees with vegi almost right after this char claim. All this happens within 30 min. Then they just so happen to be the only 2 that claim to have a Knights of the Round character? Seems fishy to me.
Where did I "agree" with him? At most I said that I don't want to vote for him, after he claimed name from the same dimension my role is from. I wonder why I would do that!
Human Destroyer
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So when I realize that someone is from the same dimension as me, it's suddenly bad that I believed him? I probably wouldn't have unvoted him had someone else from the "King Arthur Dimension" (which we should all refer to as the KAD for simplicity's sake) flipped and revealed their flavor. The reason why I believe it is that, if he did actually guess at the roles in the game, I don't think that would be the one to pull out. It's just too out of nowhere to be a random claim, but I believe it since I have a character from the same dimension.
(I hope that was coherent, I probably should've read it over, but meh)
Something I don't like is that you seem to connect us immediately as scum without a second thought. You've literally said here "It is Sheepbro and HD vouching for vegi, therefore vegi is fakeclaiming". Why else would I have believed his claim if I wasn't from his universe?
Also, I happen to be online all day today. Don't judge. >.>
JewelQuest
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I think that his claim is rather believable. I can't imagine them trying to bring the Knights of the Round table into the game without proof, since it would be their undoing in the end.
Pretty much this.
Also, I'm in Europe, and I get an email whenever someone posts in this thread, so my response time is very quick.
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't soft clear vegi just because 2 people claim they're from the same dimension. These also happen to be the same 2 people who moved away from a vegi vote directly after he claimed.
There's also nothing that says that wolves and town can't be from the same dimension. Any of those 3 may be town, that doesn't mean 1 of them can't be a wolf.
There's also nothing that says that wolves and town can't be from the same dimension. Any of those 3 may be town, that doesn't mean 1 of them can't be a wolf.
Seriously? Are you just trolling or are you actually unable to grasp the concept of evidence?
If I see someone provide evidence for his innocence that I know is valid, of course I'm going to shift my suspicions.
The game is called Dimensional Clash. That means any character from any dimension could be in it. Him picking a character that is not only in the same dimension as mine, but even got mentioned in my role PM seems highly unlikely if it's not a legit claim.
Also, knights of the round table. Nobility and honour and all that. I dunno, seems quite towny to me.
Um, Lancelot ends up accidentally killing Gareth. Gawain ends up going to war against Lancelot and the Round Table ends up splitting up.
Also, saying that the the Knights of the Round Table is "towny" is a dumb argument. That's like saying that there were no wolves last game since Pokemon don't kill each other.
pokemonfreak5
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Ok. I'm back. Skimmed over the recent events. Going to go over them more fully soon. (Wow you guys can post a lot in a few days)
Whoa. This isn't like you Diaz. You dropped that push very readily. All we know from his name claim now is that he is probably Gareth. That doesn't clear him in the slightest in my books. Like many have said before, its bad game design to give the scum team incriminating names. If I were scum, and I had a name claim that seemed innocent enough, I'd claim it at the drop of a hat.
QFT on this one. It could all be some sort of setup. They coul all be faking. On day 1 it's impossible to know for sure.
I'm comfortable holding my vote for now until I can go back an have a good look at the last few pages. I'm sorry if my last vote seemed rushed and semi contradictory. I had thought it through before I posted but I didn't have a lot of time for the actual post. As most of you know, I'm strongly against no lynch for the town, so I wouldn't to do my bit to work against that. Additionally, not voting is basically the worst form of bandwagoning. I wasn't sure at the time if vegi was the correct lynch for the whole day, as we still had other suapects and more time, but at the time of voting (when I felt I really should vote) he seemed like the only valid option.
Hopefully more thoughts to come.
Whoa. This isn't like you Diaz. You dropped that push very readily. All we know from his name claim now is that he is probably Gareth. That doesn't clear him in the slightest in my books. Like many have said before, its bad game design to give the scum team incriminating names. If I were scum, and I had a name claim that seemed innocent enough, I'd claim it at the drop of a hat.
QFT on this one. It could all be some sort of setup. They coul all be faking. On day 1 it's impossible to know for sure.
I'm comfortable holding my vote for now until I can go back an have a good look at the last few pages. I'm sorry if my last vote seemed rushed and semi contradictory. I had thought it through before I posted but I didn't have a lot of time for the actual post. As most of you know, I'm strongly against no lynch for the town, so I wouldn't to do my bit to work against that. Additionally, not voting is basically the worst form of bandwagoning. I wasn't sure at the time if vegi was the correct lynch for the whole day, as we still had other suapects and more time, but at the time of voting (when I felt I really should vote) he seemed like the only valid option.
Hopefully more thoughts to come.
Absoltrainer
Active Member
This information certainly adds factors
The reason I say this is very interesting is this:
1.) First off, we have NO PROOF he is Gareth. He may very well have chosen a different character from the same universe he exists from. Especially if he knew that others from his universe were here.
2.) It is not unreasonable for wolves and townies to be linked via sibling-ship. Gareth apparently plays a large part in the final tragedy of Round Table.
Vegitilian you reference yourself as: Gawain's brother (Gareth) rather than Gareth (Gawain’s Brother). This re-arranging of words implies some significance to Gawain, that he may be in the game. Gawain’s connection to Mordred and the following war are what have me interested. While I may have a little trouble trying to see Gawain as a wolf given his anger based on grief rather than evil motives, Mordred is a pure traitor (as far as I can tell) who go about devising a war for his own ends. How do we know you are Gareth? What if you are Mordred. The fact that others are from the same universe further convinces me and Mordred is SOMEWHERE among us. It would not be hard to connect the dots from Mordred to Gareth, and use him as your claim. You’re vague role-reveal also does nothing to dismiss the scummy things you have constantly done during this game day. While I am not above changing my mind if I can be convinced you are town, you have not done such convincing yet.
We have proven that people from the same dimension are here. We have not proven that Vegitialian's claim is completely true, why are you so quick to dismiss him simply because others are from the same dimension. That could mean any number of things.
Vegitilan NEVER said he hasd a power role. He said he had a night action, a vague and open-ended statment that could mean anything.
How does this provide evidece for his innocence? You yourself said "Gareth is mentioned in my role PM (dimension-related, not role related)." which implies that when you got your role, you had some knowledge that other from your dimension may be present.
That leads me to this:
It is very possible to be given enough information within a role PM to figure out who else may be in the game. As stated here:
Gareth is not to mentioned in his role, the Knights of the Roundtable dimension is mentioned. This implies that Sheepbro knew from his role PM that others from his dimensions were likely to be here.
I stand by it. This "reveal" does nothing to clear Vegitialian of anything he has done thus far.
We have NO PROOF he is Gareth, only pretty clear proof he is from that dimension
My vote stands.
The reason I say this is very interesting is this:
1.) First off, we have NO PROOF he is Gareth. He may very well have chosen a different character from the same universe he exists from. Especially if he knew that others from his universe were here.
2.) It is not unreasonable for wolves and townies to be linked via sibling-ship. Gareth apparently plays a large part in the final tragedy of Round Table.
Vegitilian you reference yourself as: Gawain's brother (Gareth) rather than Gareth (Gawain’s Brother). This re-arranging of words implies some significance to Gawain, that he may be in the game. Gawain’s connection to Mordred and the following war are what have me interested. While I may have a little trouble trying to see Gawain as a wolf given his anger based on grief rather than evil motives, Mordred is a pure traitor (as far as I can tell) who go about devising a war for his own ends. How do we know you are Gareth? What if you are Mordred. The fact that others are from the same universe further convinces me and Mordred is SOMEWHERE among us. It would not be hard to connect the dots from Mordred to Gareth, and use him as your claim. You’re vague role-reveal also does nothing to dismiss the scummy things you have constantly done during this game day. While I am not above changing my mind if I can be convinced you are town, you have not done such convincing yet.
We have proven that people from the same dimension are here. We have not proven that Vegitialian's claim is completely true, why are you so quick to dismiss him simply because others are from the same dimension. That could mean any number of things.
Vegitilan NEVER said he hasd a power role. He said he had a night action, a vague and open-ended statment that could mean anything.
How does this provide evidece for his innocence? You yourself said "Gareth is mentioned in my role PM (dimension-related, not role related)." which implies that when you got your role, you had some knowledge that other from your dimension may be present.
That leads me to this:
It is very possible to be given enough information within a role PM to figure out who else may be in the game. As stated here:
Gareth is not to mentioned in his role, the Knights of the Roundtable dimension is mentioned. This implies that Sheepbro knew from his role PM that others from his dimensions were likely to be here.
I stand by it. This "reveal" does nothing to clear Vegitialian of anything he has done thus far.
We have NO PROOF he is Gareth, only pretty clear proof he is from that dimension
My vote stands.
You didn't answer my question, and in fact left it out when quoting.
Let's try this again:
Today I learned. Still though, "accidentally" implies Gareth wasn't a bad guy.
It is not a dumb argument, it seems quite logical. If we're going to call out dumb arguments, "You changed your opinion because someone claimed a name from the same dimension as you, you're probably all wolves" is the most retarded argument I've heard in a while.
Guys, the point is not that I'm 100% sure he's town. Vegi is still on my watchlist. The thing is, I don't want a potential towny lynched for reasons that I've always found doubtful.
To those saying I'm part of some conspiracy, wouldn't you think I would've made it subtler if I were a wolf? I dunno, I feel like I would be too intelligent to blatantly change my opinion for a set up.
On that note, I was never convinced of either Vegitalian *or* AT being a wolf or a town, this nameclaim only further consolidated my desire to vote for neither.
Absoltrainer
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@Glaceon
Because role-revealing is a really bad idea, asking for role-reveals is a worse on. I chose to ignore it because I'm not going to reveal because ONE person asks me too. I have no reason to reveal. Also before you go "he's afraid to role-reveal," he's a wolf, ANY reveal I make would not clear me anyways. A pointless action
I want to correct what I said above
Gareth IS mentioned, that note, connected with Gareth's major involvement in the final tragedy of the Round Table and Mordred actions to betray his brothers further leads me to believe that his role PM would have more than enough information to give him hints as to whether others may be in the game.
Because role-revealing is a really bad idea, asking for role-reveals is a worse on. I chose to ignore it because I'm not going to reveal because ONE person asks me too. I have no reason to reveal. Also before you go "he's afraid to role-reveal," he's a wolf, ANY reveal I make would not clear me anyways. A pointless action
I want to correct what I said above
Gareth IS mentioned, that note, connected with Gareth's major involvement in the final tragedy of the Round Table and Mordred actions to betray his brothers further leads me to believe that his role PM would have more than enough information to give him hints as to whether others may be in the game.