HappyHaunter
New Member
Yeah I was expecting some more coverage/discussion but oh well. I'm happy for the winning deck though!
US Nationals live updates?
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Yes, Gothitelle won.
Otaku
Active Member
So the question is... why?
I would love it to be because people like me realized we didn't even have enough information to achieve our normal levels of mediocre speculation and thus should remain silent, but even that hinges upon there just not being much to discuss this year due to lack of information.
I was playing a Gothitellle/Accelgor (with Darkrai and a Mew tech) deck just before I quit Standard (between Dragons Exalted and Boundaries Crossed). I wonder what updates were made to it with the three sets that were released since then? I was laughed at repeatedly for attempting it among my group of players. Admittedly it was clunky and a bit slow back then but I still won quite often and I really enjoyed the deck as it was much more involved than things like Darkrai and Eels.
It's nice to see something I was once so fond of win a big tournament.
It's nice to see something I was once so fond of win a big tournament.
HoLoN_TrAiNeR
New Member
^ Float Stone
Using Darkrai to retreat Gothitelle was slow and clunky.
Using Darkrai to retreat Gothitelle was slow and clunky.
Makes sense. Makes me wanna go pick up some new cards and try her out again.
Otaku
Active Member
Just remember that next set we get Virizion EX, which prevents (and cures existing) Special Condition for Pokémon with a source of :grass: Energy attached... and even with the card pool we have, people are probably already adding in counters they skipped because they didn't think they needed them. :wink:
ShadowCard
Active Member
that is a good question.
My first response would be "is there another site that is posting coverage of the event?" I looked around but was unable to find anything. On pokegym, where are the people posting lists of updates? Is it the players? Do the players simply not care enough to advertise their own performance? Maybe it isn't that they don't care but instead that none of those expect(ing)(ed) to well made it far enough in the event and so just didn't advertise it? Either way, the lack of demand for information here doesn't give much of an incentive to want to supply any. Virginia was following its players and posting their results because there was a request for it, so it looked like Virginia players had the best coverage even if they all had a rough time at the event.
My next response is "do people just not come to pokegym for information?" As you said, there wasn't enough information to achieve normal levels of speculation. Where is the discussion about vendors? In previous years, we would know their buy rates ahead of time and what merchandise they were planning to bring. Was that information posted anywhere or was it just absent ahead of the event? Look at this board. Where is the information for anything about the event?
Me too they dont do nothing to grow the game and get people interested in it. Heck they dont care for masters as well.. They only care about juniors and seniors wich are the minority in the game psssssss..... What ever
King Piplup
Active Member
Coming from someone who's typically posted updates on here, there didn't really seem to be much of a demand and I therefore figured everyone was getting info via Twitter/Facebook/etc, so I didn't bother reporting redundant info.
Porii Sames
Active Member
In other news: more evidence to show that this site is slowly dying.
Nothing too surprising from what I'm seeing from the updates, the amount of people that showed up is kinda cool I guess.
Nothing too surprising from what I'm seeing from the updates, the amount of people that showed up is kinda cool I guess.
losjackal
Technical Administrator
Let's stop comparing the Pokémon TCG to Magic: The Gathering. The target demographic, the market size, and the revenue involved is in a different ballpark. In that Grand Prix Miami, 1,258 players paid $40 each to play. That is over $50,000 in new revenue (not reallocated from profits elsewhere) to produce an event. It makes sense why a 3rd party company (StarCityGames) has the reason and motivation to self-promote with streaming and more live coverage for players at home.
Serious improvements TPCi did year:
- 75 minute top cut rounds
- Structure the schedule so each of the Final matches runs separately on Sunday
- Video equipment so spectators can watch the gameplay
- Audio equipment for live commentary from notable community members (and preventing the players from hearing it)
- Last Chance Tournament on Sunday for people who need more points
- TOM operators publishing online pairings for all of the events
- Adding a third vendor (Top Cut Central)
- Allowing Top Cut Central to run side events all day Thursday before the main events begin
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losjackal
Technical Administrator
If discussion begins to happen on other forums more, so be it. We can't force anyone to talk here.
What we can do is innovate and offer new value. Over 900 players were able to connect their PokeGym accounts to use the Stadium for online pairings at Nationals. That's remarkable in my opinion.
Those are great improvements, but not the main one the community wants. And it's not difficult to get the stream rolling. Seems like a big miss on P!P's part to me, and many others. Especially when we don't even have to compare Pokemon to MtG, but we can look at other Pokemon events. Canada Nats, other Nats, several Regionals, several States have streams.
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Twitter, Facebook (specifically HeyFonte), **********, etc. all get more community discussion than what happens on the 'Gym, and it's not just about Nats coverage. Recently, all the big news stories have gotten more play on other sites: cheating, declumping, larger time limits, etc.
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losjackal
Technical Administrator
You mean the community of people who were unwilling or unable to attend Nationals.
Because the community of people who DID attend Nationals, the main thing they wanted was online pairings and 75 minute top cut rounds.
Technically no, but legally perhaps yes. We just don't know. What I do know is I sign more paperwork for Steven Reich's PokePress radio interviews than anyone I've ever seen for broadcasting their match on The Top Cut. So it makes sense that the community of streamers is being more cavalier than the company can, or is at least willing to do this year. Structuring Sunday to run as it did was hard enough, I can imagine, without having to worry about satisfying the folks at home.
As an active participant who regularly tries to bring logic to the mob mentality, the HeyFonte posts and comments are barely conducive to good "discussions". PokeGym has a purpose: to be a well-moderated forum that is safe for families and kids to participate. HeyFonte and the other sites serves a different demographic. No one site has to "win" by being all things to all people.
KazamBolt
Active Member
Don't you guys see? There was a lot of improvements to what happened at Nationals, but nothing for those people who didn't go. The point is that Pokemon is adding a lot of incentives to go to Nationals, and will probably draw a larger crowd next year. It's all part of their marketing strategy.
jaws_is_ra
Member
Who won the Prof Cup. I can not get any info on the winner of it.