Papi/Manny
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Basically, this season comes down to how much you can test and how much luck you have. If you dont' have connection the 1337 players, dont' even set your sights on first...but just top cutting. :/
TRUK Engine
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I don't doubt that there are strategies that the public wouldn't see on first glance. But for the number of trainers we currently have, there aren't that many ways to really "trick" out a trainer engine and make a engine that works better than any other engine.
My honest opinion on the whole TRUK thing is that people are using it to disguise ideas that might not be praised because of their explicit creativity. Blissey by itself? Big whoop. But throw in the "special" trainer engine and you can make it sound really special by calling it Racing TRUK. Ohhh, see how special it sounds now?
Walrein by itself sounds like a lackbuster idea. But call it Ice TRUK and WOW you have a special deck.
Just my honest opinion.
My honest opinion on the whole TRUK thing is that people are using it to disguise ideas that might not be praised because of their explicit creativity. Blissey by itself? Big whoop. But throw in the "special" trainer engine and you can make it sound really special by calling it Racing TRUK. Ohhh, see how special it sounds now?
Walrein by itself sounds like a lackbuster idea. But call it Ice TRUK and WOW you have a special deck.
Just my honest opinion.
Phazon Elite
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My point exactly.
Nowadays, a certain stratification of customization to a core idea results in a completely unique deck. That's what happens when the selection of available Trainers allows a deck to function differently and at different speeds depending on which methods of draw and search one uses.
For example, take the old Haymaker. It was renowned for its speed back in the day. Now, if one were to take out all the Oaks and Bills and stuff and instead insert a variety of Supporters, would it still be a Haymaker? Possibly, but the difference in Engines would allow the deck ot do different things at different times. For example, one can now draw and search if facing a Vilex or Crobat d deck. While that is a minor change, one could see it as big enough to warrant the Trainer engine transforming the deck into its own variant, or even the Trainer Engine as a shoe-in Engine for multiple decks which fit the same basic description of the original deck.
A _____ TRUK hits hard and fast. Its Engine obviously reflects that.
You do make an excellent point Prime, by just giving a deck a special name, people seem to think its magical or some such nonsense
A good example is a deck Richard (psycho) used a few weeks ago called project evolution
The deck itself wasnt that extraordinary, it was Rampardos/Lucario
However, the same itself seemed to inspire fear into people\'s hearts, even though the deck was a well known concept
Your honest opinion made a very valid point Prime
It makes me wonder if i should call out next project something kewl sounding as well
So far, all we got is Project Avarice for next week (which does sound cool :thumb
Phazon_Elite, I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. A deck with all supporters is going to run slower than a deck with a combination of supporters and trainers.
My point was that because of the lack of good supporters, there aren't many choices when it comes to tasks.
Celio is the best pokemon searcher. Most decks will run 3 or 4. No surprises there.
Night Maintenance or TSD are the best ways to bring back pokemon from the discard pile. You can see any combination of them in a deck and usually 3 or 4 in combination in stage 1 decks.
Mentor/Fan Club are the best supporters to get multiples of the same pokemon out of a deck. You will see 2-4 of these in a stage 1 deck.
4 Great ball are a good touch to stage 1 decks giving them a way to search out a recycled basic.
4 Quick Ball are a good way to pull out basics and/or evolutions after they are recycled.
Castaway can get energy, and supporters, and tools. This works great for any deck trying to more damage (strength charm), shut down powers and bodies (cessation crystal) and protect themselves (buffer piece). You can expect 2-4 of these in any stage 1 deck.
Need I go on?
There aren't many choices when it comes to cards, and I honestly doubt the infamous TRUK engine is anything really special. Most likely it's just the same old cards we know about with maybe different quantities. Maybe 4 Wager to mess up the opponent, or whatever you could think of.
But because I don't see it being anything really special, that makes the whole idea behind the different TRUKs not really that special. Moving TRUK becomes just regular Blissey/Electivire. Ice TRUK becomes just plain ole speed Walrein. etc, etc, etc.
But I guess some people just like to feel special and get the public talking about their decks.
My point was that because of the lack of good supporters, there aren't many choices when it comes to tasks.
Celio is the best pokemon searcher. Most decks will run 3 or 4. No surprises there.
Night Maintenance or TSD are the best ways to bring back pokemon from the discard pile. You can see any combination of them in a deck and usually 3 or 4 in combination in stage 1 decks.
Mentor/Fan Club are the best supporters to get multiples of the same pokemon out of a deck. You will see 2-4 of these in a stage 1 deck.
4 Great ball are a good touch to stage 1 decks giving them a way to search out a recycled basic.
4 Quick Ball are a good way to pull out basics and/or evolutions after they are recycled.
Castaway can get energy, and supporters, and tools. This works great for any deck trying to more damage (strength charm), shut down powers and bodies (cessation crystal) and protect themselves (buffer piece). You can expect 2-4 of these in any stage 1 deck.
Need I go on?
There aren't many choices when it comes to cards, and I honestly doubt the infamous TRUK engine is anything really special. Most likely it's just the same old cards we know about with maybe different quantities. Maybe 4 Wager to mess up the opponent, or whatever you could think of.
But because I don't see it being anything really special, that makes the whole idea behind the different TRUKs not really that special. Moving TRUK becomes just regular Blissey/Electivire. Ice TRUK becomes just plain ole speed Walrein. etc, etc, etc.
But I guess some people just like to feel special and get the public talking about their decks.
SuperWooper
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Prime said:
Read and learn:
Bobby said:
What can you take away from this?
Phazon Elite
New Member
Unconventional methods can yield good results. Who knows, maybe some people run Pokedex for a Tranceiver-like effect and to help recover from a lost Wager. It's easy to list all available forms of draw and search in the format and declare that the Engine is not anything special just because almost every card you can think of which may be a part of the engine has seen at least fairly popular use in multiple quantities in multiple metas. What one must really do is identify whatone might think a TRUK would be made of and why the maker(s) of said TRUK may or may not insert a select quantity of select cards in their self-imposed and self-defined "unique" concept.
(Metroid) Prime said:
To some, even the slightest change to a unit makes the performance of the whole greater or lesser than it was before.
Don't get me wrong, I pretty much agree with you. Just trying to provide a possible, more logical reason as to why the TRUK engine is being treated as if it is unique.
DarkMagnus
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i can speak from exp. that Straight Walrein bites the big one... shoulda put the hemi in mine..... also how do you get your hemi by Deck Checks?
I understand what you are saying Phazon_Elite. And I'm not Metroid Prime, I'm Optimus Prime, lol.
SuperWooper: One of the reasons people were stressing how good TRUK was was it being a singular trainer engine that was just so good that it was used in multiple decks. If the trainer engine differs from deck to deck, how can they all be TRUK? There must be some common denominator among all the TRUK trainer engines, but if it's just a few cards, why is the engine that special then?
SuperWooper: One of the reasons people were stressing how good TRUK was was it being a singular trainer engine that was just so good that it was used in multiple decks. If the trainer engine differs from deck to deck, how can they all be TRUK? There must be some common denominator among all the TRUK trainer engines, but if it's just a few cards, why is the engine that special then?
desert eagle
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optimus PRIME RIB
This is a great joke. I swear it is. Anyone that believes TRUK engine is anything spectacular go to Pokepedia.net and search for all standard trainers take a look at everything that is legal and then think to yourself is there any cards that are overlooked...the answer's no. I'm actually typing up a trainer guide right now listing all the remotely playable trainers. Expect to see it later on tonight.
master of puppets
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well if so many people say its real can you give us any idea of what is in it?
ill give the main trainer in there engine!!!!
POKEDEX HANDY 910!!
NO JOKE!!!
they al run it in 4's
desert eagle
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The TRUKs are just great decks that are WINNING TOURNAMENTS right now that are only called TRUKs because we are having fun naming them (and winning with them)
TRUK didn't invent most of the TRUKs, they are all created by various HB members (but TRUK has come up with some VERY good ones =D) and adding TRUK's name to the deck is catchy. I mean, wouldn't it sound stupid to play a deck called "the pickup desert_eagle" or the "Ice SHPanda" or the "ramen Scizor" etc.
I'm 22-2 so far this season, and its thanks to my team's TRUKs.
TRUK didn't invent most of the TRUKs, they are all created by various HB members (but TRUK has come up with some VERY good ones =D) and adding TRUK's name to the deck is catchy. I mean, wouldn't it sound stupid to play a deck called "the pickup desert_eagle" or the "Ice SHPanda" or the "ramen Scizor" etc.
I'm 22-2 so far this season, and its thanks to my team's TRUKs.
Phazon Elite
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AUTOBOTS: Roll off of a cliff. lol\
Yeah, I was worried that my sentences were too jumbled to follow. lol
TRUK engine discovered!!!! Team HB will probably deny it to keep it secret but this really is it.
The idea is to play trainers and not supporters so when you wager or copycat you can play more cards, the deck runs happiny for an added affect.
4 Pokedex 910
3 Copycat
2 TGW
3 Quickball
4 Great Ball
2 TSD
3 TV Reporter
3 Celio's
The idea is to play trainers and not supporters so when you wager or copycat you can play more cards, the deck runs happiny for an added affect.
4 Pokedex 910
3 Copycat
2 TGW
3 Quickball
4 Great Ball
2 TSD
3 TV Reporter
3 Celio's
Phazon Elite
New Member
Somehow, I doubt the Happiny. Unless Ice TRUK uses Blissey, too.
I also doubt it's that simple. There's gotta be something more complicated to it. I say this because I, in my suckitude, ran something similar to that in many decks a month ago. lol
I also doubt it's that simple. There's gotta be something more complicated to it. I say this because I, in my suckitude, ran something similar to that in many decks a month ago. lol