Sabett
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Garchomp c lv.x was never unplayable, DCE put him over the top.
Most Broken Card released in the last 2 years
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LovingTheAlien
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I'll just say that if your SP deck has trouble with Vileplume/Gengar then you have a bad list.
Also, Pfft Gengar Prime, what about Machamp Prime?
Also, Pfft Gengar Prime, what about Machamp Prime?
The_Envoy_of_Chaos
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Not once in this thread has been mentioned the full combo.
Gengar Prime + Lost World is only HALF the equation. Yeah sure, it's a very good combo. What makes that combo make that next step into broken is Hunter and Twins. Hunter sends all those Pokemon that your desperately benching to counter Gengar straight back to your hand. Twins is fantastic as Gengar doesn't have to focus on prizes to win the game. It doesn't matter if it's 6-3 in their favour.
It is broken, but they'll be a counter/deck/something that will beat it or at least hinder it. It doesn't need to be banned. It's nowhere near as bad as Sneasal or Slowking were in their own day.
Gengar Prime + Lost World is only HALF the equation. Yeah sure, it's a very good combo. What makes that combo make that next step into broken is Hunter and Twins. Hunter sends all those Pokemon that your desperately benching to counter Gengar straight back to your hand. Twins is fantastic as Gengar doesn't have to focus on prizes to win the game. It doesn't matter if it's 6-3 in their favour.
It is broken, but they'll be a counter/deck/something that will beat it or at least hinder it. It doesn't need to be banned. It's nowhere near as bad as Sneasal or Slowking were in their own day.
LovingTheAlien
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I don't know if you've ever played Kingdra or not, but [plenty of] evolution decks most certainly are NOT slower than SP. SP is just the modern day haymaker, with an exceptional and exclusive engine, healing, and supreme tech room, which really swings the game in SPs favor. Luxray GL Lv.X's 60 for 1 + energy gain on t2 at the earliest isn't faster than a Kingdra's t1 80+spray splash, or 80+20 to the bench with the other kingdra or a machamp's t1 take out. It's the type advantage and control. Sure, Dragon Rush and healing breath are fantastic, but do they do anything to Steelix Prime?
The #1 thing that makes SP decks broken is their versatility. "Toolbox" wasn't just tossed around because SP decks are a bunch of junk tossed together. Machamp big in your area? Just play blaziken. Vilegar? Tech in Sableye. SPs? Tech Dragonite. Sableye-based decks? Roserade. Kingdra/Machamp? Tech in Lucario GL and Luxray or Toxitank.
Also, people need to let up on the SP hate. I think SP decks are some of the most fun. I LOVE Sablelock, BlazeChomp, and DialgaChomp. They all have totally unique strategies and are super fun and challenging to play. I also loved AMU+Gardevoir/Gallade, Gyarados, Steelix, Regigigas, Gliscor/Spiritomb, Curse Gengar, Magnezone, Kingdra, Mothim/Gyarados, Ho-Oh+Togekiss, Magmortar+Leafeon, Empoleon, Blissey and PLOX. They all had unique strategies and were very fun to play.
If you want to hate on anything, try hating on garbage like GeChamp, Flygon(uggggghhhhhhhhh) and vileplume/gengar. Those decks are entirely soulless and are actually not very good despite popular belief.
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Don't forget about the Lv.X, Mr.Mime, Spiritomb, and Looker's, either. They are all absolutely ridiculous when combined with Gengar.
I think I'm just tired of having to tech against some gengar or another. :/
baby mario
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The whole 'scrub' thing in the article was about players who restrict themselves with their own 'rules' and code of 'honour'. It has nothing to do with liking or disliking anything. I might even agree with you about the game being more fun without SP, or I might not - it's not important. The way I see it is that SP is there to be used and it would be nuts of me not to use it just because I somehow decided for myself that it was 'wrong'.
The thing is, I don't see this one monster SP deck any more than I see all Stage 2 decks as being the same. There have been many successful SP decks that are played in very different ways (eg: Luxchomp, Dialga, Palkia Lock). Yeah, they all use Cyrus/TGIs, just like Stage 2 decks all use(d) Candy/BTS/Bebe/Claydol etc.
Your choice of SP deck and the way it is teched out are all important and all take deckbuilding skill. How can deckbuilding be 'dead' because of SP when the most original and innovative new deck last season was Sablelock? A deck which brought back a dead strategy (hand disruption), using a card most people dismissed as rubbish (Cyrus Initiative).
waynegg
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And Palkia G LV X so benched Pokemon aren't safe from the Lost Zone, and Omastar so you use their evolutions aren't safe from the Lost Zone, and Hochkrow SV so discarded basics also aren't safe from the Lost Zone. As long as the Gengar player focuses on JUST sending Pokemon to the Lost Zone using the first attack instead of KOing Pokemon it's quick, and like the Crane Technique from The Karate Kid, if done correctly you no can defend!
Yeah... It's broken!
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Kayle
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Noobs pick Lux/blaze/sable-chomp up because they want to be pro with the BDIF. I was the same way like five years ago with my net decked Flaridos. At worlds this year I ran Blazeluxchomp. I was uncomfortable with it and failed. I was far better with Sablelock and Gardivior, but in hindsight, I realize I don't regret my choice. I would have only failed harder with the latter two. And I think I have a pretty good idea of how Pokemon TCG should be.
I don't play sp anymore, although it is bdif, but not to be rogue. I do not play it because I am not comfortable playing mirror against better players. But that is just what I do. Everyone plays what they want for their own reasons.
Garchomp wasnt that big before DCE try removing DCE from the deck and see how it makes it harder for Garchomp to work
DCE really helped shine a light on those cards you wouldnt normally consider due to high attack cost especially for colorless
Sabett
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It may have not been big, but it was by no means unplayable.
LovingTheAlien
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Yeah, Garchomp was the other half of the positively broken pre-DCE cities deck, Dialgachomp. NOTHING beat it. Not Charizard, not Flygon, nothing.
waynegg
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Octillery beat it quite handily and a majority of the time. So did K-Lock, LEGOS, and almost anything with Dusknoir DP. It was still a great deck, but nowhere near as strong as it became with the release of Double Colorless Energy.
jokerjake7
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Ok in my defense and personal opinion, just think of the core idea of SP. Stage 1 and 2 Pokemon as basics. Ok so only ONE pokemon takes advantage of that, and that is Machamp sf. But otherwise its a broken idea, They have all the search and basic benefits. That were usually only for STARTING to get set up in evolution. Also they all have high hp so donking practically never happens while evolutions have to deal with it. So with high speed cause everything is basic and also high def cause of high hp and lack of donking. Thats the very nature of being broken.
Kayle
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I played it before DCE came out. In fact, I played it before DCE was announced.
It was SCARY GOOD. DCE made it better in time for its first serious non-SP competition, Jumpluff.
Note that I say non-SP competition. What scared Luxchomp? Dialgachomp
Ok, I'm tired of all the arguing in this thread.
You know what the most broken card was in the last 2 years? Abra. (Ok, 2 years actually, but previous format)
Yes, I said it, Abra. Why is that? Because it doesn't need to evolve into Kadabra. A Kadabra card wasn't even PRINTED to go along with it. Now how broken is THAT? That is just pure insanity.
Now as if it weren't broken enough, they added a kicker: The Alakazam printed with it, the only one that was legal in the format, had the POWER CANCEL POKE POWER! It stopped your opponent dead in their tracks from using any powers. So basically, Abra is like a Rare Candy + Power Spray. Yeah, that's right.
Now idk about you folks, but I think that that card was pretty broken.
You know what the most broken card was in the last 2 years? Abra. (Ok, 2 years actually, but previous format)
Yes, I said it, Abra. Why is that? Because it doesn't need to evolve into Kadabra. A Kadabra card wasn't even PRINTED to go along with it. Now how broken is THAT? That is just pure insanity.
Now as if it weren't broken enough, they added a kicker: The Alakazam printed with it, the only one that was legal in the format, had the POWER CANCEL POKE POWER! It stopped your opponent dead in their tracks from using any powers. So basically, Abra is like a Rare Candy + Power Spray. Yeah, that's right.
Now idk about you folks, but I think that that card was pretty broken.
Clearea Vystein
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I was thinking about Zubat too. Poinko(spelled right?) made that card seem waaaaaaaaaaaaay overpowered.
waynegg
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Gotta call this out
You played Mighteyena (10-2-09), DuskChomp (11-30-09), Charizard (12-16-09), and so on. In fact you didn't start warming up to the LuxChomp bandwagon until around January of this year, well after DCE had been announced (you'll see that in the last link at the end of this paragraph). I'm saying this because lying and pumping your chest isn't good. And before you get all smug and elitist with your reply, as you have started becoming as of late, please take a moment to reflect on one of the best posts you made here.
You used to be fun to help and talk with, yet now less than a year later you are really describing yourself in that first post of that thread...