re: #2...not bringing in the B&W rules with the B&W cards was never an option for OP. look at the european nationals: if B&W cards were allowed they HAD to use B&W rules as well...
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Box of Fail
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That doesn't mean it wasn't an option; it means they consciously decided not to allow B&W without the rules printed in the B&W rulebooks because it would be inconvenient and violate tradition. Admittedly, to reverse the changes in rules ex post facto would be awkward and troublesome, but not as much as requiring a rotation to repair a broken format...
ogremarauder
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@eriknance- the reason M:TG cards retain value is because there is an extensive variety of formats that are supported by the DCI(P!P equivalent). If we can convince P!P to support more than one format, then we wouldn't see all the hard earned $go down the tubes every rotation. Good luck with that though, it will probably never happen.
Soujiro Elric
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Agreed, although they announced this a time ago. It was to be expected.
TPCi has a no card banning police, to keep up on par with the japanese format.
It would be unfair for the rest.
But it was dominated by SP decks, and only few decks could make against them thanks to the SP engine. If you decided to not play a SP deck, you either had to choose Machamp or Gyarados. And that's it, there's no more variety than that.
Agreed.
I disagree, I've seen around 20 archetypes just for this rotation.
The slow and frustrating format is what people are actually celebrating, and I insist, there's a huge room for creativity. Since the overpowered cards in the DPPt era are rotating out, this allows lots of decks to be playable.
Opinions.
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Actually that last one was a fact :wink:
Soujiro Elric
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But you implied that's a bad thing. But then, yeah, it's a fact there's no Glaceon, for now at least.
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Nah, I'm not bothered about the Eeveelutions like some people are.
There's solid arguments against all of those points as far as I'm concerned. I just posted them all to make discussion easier.
The rotation was the best solution, and I'm enjoying HGSS-on.
There's solid arguments against all of those points as far as I'm concerned. I just posted them all to make discussion easier.
The rotation was the best solution, and I'm enjoying HGSS-on.
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There was one more deck type that could compete.
Lock.
Best shown by Tomb and Plume.
But it wasn't consistent enough to make a significant dent in the format, unfortunately.
if you were playing the MD-BW format, you basically had two choices.
Donk.
Or Lock.
And I can't really think of any of the top decks that wasn't one of these two general types.
Lock.
Best shown by Tomb and Plume.
But it wasn't consistent enough to make a significant dent in the format, unfortunately.
if you were playing the MD-BW format, you basically had two choices.
Donk.
Or Lock.
And I can't really think of any of the top decks that wasn't one of these two general types.
Naota Takkun
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HGSS-On pros/cons
I did like using old lock decks. Especially the blazi/tran burn lock.
I like the new fire & water donkers, with Emboar and Feraligatr. I like the idea tht it'll b sorta easier to create new deck strats. Besides the Legenddonk decks:biggrin:
I dislike the idea of taking out the good old crds(trainers/supporters) tht players loved 2 use. They were easier to find. The primes and legends are harder.
Since i have a miniscule amount of HGSS-On crds. I'll need 2 get more just 2 keep up. I believe some'll have similar situations. Tht's not very good.
After July 1st many players will only trade with and 4 HGSS-On crds. Past sets will be outmoded, to them. I really don't look 4wrd 2 tht.
I do like the idea of the SPs going away. No more 1 turn win decks.
I am looking 4wrd 2 the new combos replacing the old annoying ones.
I did like using old lock decks. Especially the blazi/tran burn lock.
I like the new fire & water donkers, with Emboar and Feraligatr. I like the idea tht it'll b sorta easier to create new deck strats. Besides the Legenddonk decks:biggrin:
I dislike the idea of taking out the good old crds(trainers/supporters) tht players loved 2 use. They were easier to find. The primes and legends are harder.
Since i have a miniscule amount of HGSS-On crds. I'll need 2 get more just 2 keep up. I believe some'll have similar situations. Tht's not very good.
After July 1st many players will only trade with and 4 HGSS-On crds. Past sets will be outmoded, to them. I really don't look 4wrd 2 tht.
I do like the idea of the SPs going away. No more 1 turn win decks.
I am looking 4wrd 2 the new combos replacing the old annoying ones.
I'm quite new to the game, and have been trying to follow this conversation so as to gain some insight into the game and its history. I have what is probably a very basic question: what was the reason for bringing in the first-turn rule changes in Black and White? That is, what was wrong with keeping Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums out of first turn? Not to suggest that I think it's a bad change (I don't have near enough experience to form an opinion, honestly), I'm just curious as to why it was made.
And, while I'm asking newbie questions anyway: which (if any) of the POP Series are legal in the new format?
And, while I'm asking newbie questions anyway: which (if any) of the POP Series are legal in the new format?
Charlie Sheen
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Not really. You HAVE to have the three energies in hand and a way to get Shaymin and Pachirisu. Kinda hard.
Not to mention it does nothing to a sleeping cleffa. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it really isn't that likely.
actually, its needed to have 2 lightning, a collector, and a Zekrom.
collector grabs pachi, shaymin, and unown Dark for that last energy.
or just 3 lightning in the fist hand, I find it unlikely o.o...
dual ball! \o/ get lucky
SP blah, hate, blah, blah.
No one ever says the G-dos is easy mode auto-pilot and does not deserve to win Nats, and now it won't! The "backward" compatibility this format change around is crazy compared to the past. I can count the cards I was made to ridiculous in one hand (DRE, Scamble) for last generation.
This time? Not even two hands is enough. And SPs does not even hold half of it.
No one ever says the G-dos is easy mode auto-pilot and does not deserve to win Nats, and now it won't! The "backward" compatibility this format change around is crazy compared to the past. I can count the cards I was made to ridiculous in one hand (DRE, Scamble) for last generation.
This time? Not even two hands is enough. And SPs does not even hold half of it.
@eriknance I think you had a big misperception...I do not care at all that players can or will win with cookie cutter decks. I brought it up as a counter to the "it's bad that bad players can win by donking!!!". Bad players are not going to win very many 8 round+top cut tournaments whether it is MD-on or HS-on; skill still wins out much more on average. This is just a game, and people can play whatever they want without reprisal in my opinion. Your job if you care about winning is to win out over them, whether rogue or not.
Mulligans have nothing to do with "my deck building". The incessant amount of evolutions have really made a mess of decks. I like how any "defense" of HS-on is met with 10 "thanks", but any point about the flaws of HS-on is met with disparagement about deck building or actual playing ability.
Sorry to not respond to your post "in full", but I do not really have any points left I could make anew. Everyone is just going to assert that donks are anti-competitive (more people being able to compete is more competitive), and that HS-on is a perfect wonderland.
Mulligans have nothing to do with "my deck building". The incessant amount of evolutions have really made a mess of decks. I like how any "defense" of HS-on is met with 10 "thanks", but any point about the flaws of HS-on is met with disparagement about deck building or actual playing ability.
Sorry to not respond to your post "in full", but I do not really have any points left I could make anew. Everyone is just going to assert that donks are anti-competitive (more people being able to compete is more competitive), and that HS-on is a perfect wonderland.
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Yay I don't have to cancle my flight and room! First time at Nats here I come!
This new format reminds me of 06 the good old days. I am happy to be playing a format that is much like my fav fun to build any old deck. There is no BDIF or complealty set Meta. I can play some SD and actualy do well I love it!
This new format reminds me of 06 the good old days. I am happy to be playing a format that is much like my fav fun to build any old deck. There is no BDIF or complealty set Meta. I can play some SD and actualy do well I love it!