Why exactly should this be unlocked? it's been 13 pages of banter, threats, name calling, and repition. (how many times as mom sarcastically agreed "Oh yes it's defenatly the staffs fault, blame them" to how many different people?)
out of the 270 posts maybe a dozen of them have made some sort of origional point relevent to the situation.
Perhaps a post devoted to consequences would be wise then. Even though it may be off topic to a point, it certainly is relevent.
In your opinion. I do agree that there are many posts that probably shouldnt be there. Heck, my posts are probably ones that some people think are just babble, or me trying to stone this guy. But I do think that this thread needs to stay open for several reasons.
1) I think that everyone that feels cheated by this action deserves to be able to come here and voice their opinion, prvoviding its done within the rules of the site.
2) I think keeping this open will allow as many people to view it and be made aware of the actions of one player that could potentially alter future events. It gives everyone a chance to keep up with whtat is going on.
3) P!P can use this thread/site to convey information about any restitution, actions being taken, or whatever.
4) This young man needs to learn from this as well as be made an example of. WHat better way to accomplish these things by having a public forum to discuss it.
From what I see, without true repentance, nothing can be learned. Also, P!P will never give out information regarding the final outcome of this. No more than you would want to give out info regarding a disqualification at your events. It really is no one else's business to know how a person is punished, unless they personally decide to make it someone else's business.
Do any of you speed? .......
If anyone out these has never done anything wrong, then you are the only ones justified to say anything.
Did any or have any PP/POP employees ever played in a Professor Cup?
Can they be professors, possibly, but can they earn points? I'm not sure, but I think its against PPs terms of employment, they can't even join a league if I understood Mike L correctly.
Win or loose, they affect the outcome.
Had PP not cut a round from the P Cup, then he may not have won, had he not played, then the entire outcome of the event would be different, some of those in TOP cut might have been different. I'm not sure the P Cup is even a sanctioned tournament.
You can't change what has happened, you can only look forward, make the best of it, learn what has happened, and try to make it better in the future.
Should PP Employees loose their job for playing? I don't think so, they really should be considered honorary Professors! Should he be banned for life, I don't think so, but its not up to me, or you.
I think the post should be closed and deleted, PP should deal with it as they deem necessary, and we should all stay out of it.
Mike, as a person who has done a few things wrong in his life, I'm afraid I don't agree that I shouldn't have anything to say, and stay out of it. I'm not sure you realize this, but victim impact statements can be a very powerful force to get justice, if justice can be found. You are right however that we can't influence the outcome of the event at this point, nor would it be wise to think a "do over" would be practical. The event happened. The fraud happened. The matches played out as they did due to circumstances that could never be reproduced, and AA won the event that he should not have been able to enter. That does not mean that circumstances don't warrant some discussion, or eventually some justice. However we all need to realize that our own views on justice are skewed. We have to be careful and so will TPCi.
I do not want a life time ban. So don't say I don't care about getting one.
What you want is irrelevant. However you may want to consider past examples which might help you make some timely decisions. Read on.
People are taking this way too seriously.
You have absolutely no idea how much of an understatement that is. Read on.
If that is really you, I hope you really mean that. Pokemon is more than just a game. It is more than a lifestyle. It brings kids together in ways that teach them how to help each other, even when competing against each other. It teaches fair play. It teaches how to win honorably and how to loose honorably. It teaches kids with ADD how to keep focused. It teaches kids that have social issues how to interact. It teaches fair play in competition. It does this largely through trust. Trust in fair trades and advice offered to you by your competition. Leading by example is what those of us who became Pokemon Professors and take judging assignments (and use each ruling to better explain the game) are all about. We keep it fair. Your biggest offence was breaking the trust in the game and between yourself and the players.
If you want to make it right, you need to do what we do when we have a problem in gameplay. First we see what damage has been done, see if we can unwind it, and then live within the published rules. It the game is important to you, ask yourself what have you done to unwind it. When you are satisfied that you have done all that you can do to unwind the damage, you will be on the right track.
If you always try to do what you know is right, you will never have to wonder if you will get in trouble for doing wrong.
As much as I love this post, I have to disagree with one thing. Rewinding is not enough. This will not just go away once rewinding is done. Turning around from this type of action and expressing heartfelt regret is a start, but only time and good future works will erase the effects of such ignominy. Then expect that in the most unusual moments it will be brought to light again in the future. Just a heads up AA.
...... This guy encourages other people to do the same and i am sure some people will try that...
However i am curious about the opinions of his league, the shop owner and anyone who knows him well.
That is unfortunate, and it is even more unfortunate for those who look up to him in his league.
..... but if the trophy stays on ebay, Im winning it and donating it to this lady that came in 2nd place.
I see that after I planned on replying to this post that it was covered by both another poster (about the wisdom of giving money to someone who doesn't really deserve it), and a plea by TPCi that it would be inappropriate to continue to bid. I'm sure I couldn't have said it any better.
Jeez, getting people to understand things online sure is tough :/
Another post that makes me think you are less sincere than you should be, and definitely is an understatement.
Imagine if you were the guy who lost to Ayden in top 4. You spend a ton of time each week helping out the game only to lose to an ineligible player in top 4. You think that you could have beaten a dark deck if you only had the chance to play in the finals. Does he also get a claim to the first place trophy?
A good point, which shows his actions affected a wide variety of people, but cannot be totally rewound. Justice should therefore be decisive, but fair and empathetic to all.
.....personally, I would much rather play someone who has lied to enter a competition then someone who stacked their decks, used trick dice, double attached. I know it's all spirit of the game. But he "cheated" to enter, not while playing.
Personally I'd rather play neither. Is there such a thing as a "better, more moral lie?"
Totally agree with you, was EPICLY unfair to the professors... That's what I am talking about here, that he played in a fair, level playing feild.
He just shouldn't have been playing in that field
So that makes his win any better? I think not, and many professors here feel the same way.
Now for the meat of my post: Think back a bit guys. There was a professor and league leader who jokingly jested that we should go out in the street at a pokemon event to recruit players to add to the top cut of an event. Everyone here knew .... absolutely knew that the persons discussing this were joking, and would never ever consider the suggestion seriously. Both persons were stripped of their professorship, and lost all possibility of league privileges forever. They stopped short of banning them from playing. Even with people emailing TPCi on their behalf did nothing. Eventually one did repent and vowed not to discuss any possibility of skewing the results of a future event and finally was given some of his privileges back. Believe me on this one guys. TPCi takes great care to make sure everyone knows they take the integrity of their events very seriously. And even a possibility of improprietry on the part of winners is taken seriously as well (as has been shown by an incident regarding a foolish hand gesture). Don't be fooled. There will be consequences, both for TPCi and players. However in the end, we will all benefit by it. AA, I hope you learn from this, and eventually find some inner peace. Good luck to you.
