2007-09-25 Garchomp - MT 9/123

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  1. PokePop

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  2. JokerBoi

    JokerBoi New Member

    Oh yay! I am first, garchomp was hyped like crazy and alot of people claim he is slow. My garchomp list isnt slow at ALL! But nowadays you are either playing fighting pokemon or that fat happy thing that helps nurse joy. Furthermore that fat happy thing is super effective to garchomp giving him a major deduction. Other than that Garchomp is borderline ah-mazing 3 for 70 isnt bad but 3 for 110 is even better. Garchomp is one of the few pokemon that can abuse crystal beach in a special energy dominate metagame. Look at Garchomps retreat cost wait... there isnt one! No resistance even though when I am losing to garchomp in the game he almost resists everything! Weakness to colorless wouldnt be bad again if Blissy wasnt such an epidemic. 130 HP is above average so that is a great addition. Garchomp will be good as soon as someone finds an answer to blissy.
    Limited-4/5 if you get him out he is godly here
    Modified-3.5/5 he would be better with a different metagame.
     
  3. smileydude560

    smileydude560 New Member

    second! Pros: poke power is deadly, powerful attack, free retreat cost, good number of hit points.
    Cons: Stage 2, poke power doesn't work with special energy.
    limited: 8/10 if you can use it you have an advantage.
    modified: 7/10 this card will serve you well
     
  4. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    i never realy liked garchomp, nothing goes with it well.

    that was untill i found a killer last night, and wrote it down
     
  5. Skarmbliss

    Skarmbliss New Member

    Garchomp, my favorite pokemon of all time. It explains why i Garchomp as my avatar on the gym. It has a butt load of hit points so he can take one or two big hits. Weakness to colorless is pretty good since there arent many good colorless pokemon right now, but watch out for Delcatty ex and blissey though. The retreat cost of 0 is pretty sweet since you wouldnt have to give up your energies since hes already slow as it is. The pokemon body rainbow scale is quite broken, adding 40 extra damage can easily KO and pokemon except stage 2 which means which means his Dragon Fang would do 110 damage.

    Modified- To many decks outspeed him but maybe in the near future, he might be popular. Besides there are too many cards that do about the same amount as Garchomp does. 7/10

    Limited- Broken with being able to do the most damage in the set is unbearble. 10/10

    Unlimited- ER's, anything that will outspeed garchomp is screwed royally. 1/10
     
  6. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    speed chomp chan work imo, i was a chomp hata for a long time, but i have found that it can work if it's played right.

    right now he hasn't got the best synergy with enything in particular, but he's good none the less with 1 thing in particular...
     
  7. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    With Gatr and Blissy this card is a horible play.

    I would give it a 5/10 for modified.
     
  8. Dragoncius

    Dragoncius New Member

    I think its a nice card. Maybe with the new Smeargle that fetches 3 basic energies for no energy it might be useful...as well as Garchomp lvl. X
     
  9. Holy Star

    Holy Star New Member

    Let me tell you about a Garchomp's RAINBOW SCALES
     
  10. charmander rox

    charmander rox New Member

    Garchomp is a very good card. It's Body can easily be abused by playing every type of Energy. Sadly, it is the first Dragon to have a Weakness and no resistance. It's HP/Retreat Cost ratio is the best for any Stage 2 card ever made (excluding -ex). Its attack is excellent, 70 for 3, easilly combined with Boost Energy, and can become 110 with Rainbow Scales if you take the time to get 3 basic Energy onto it.

    Modified - 7/10, very good card, can counter every card with a Weakness, LV X will help
    Limited - 9/10, if you get the full line, then once you get Garchomp with 3 Energy, your opponent is DOOMED.
    Unlimited - ?/10 Probably low
     
  11. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    no.
     
  12. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Rainbow Scale, much like the Body of Charizard (Secret Wonders) makes an otherwise merely beautiful card into a highly interesting and tempting to exploit pokemon. The point that's quite interesting to consider with Rainbow Scale is that every attack that Garchomp uses does 40 more damage, as long as you play a specific color of basic energy onto Garchomp. Any attack, even if it's used via Memory Berry. Admittedly, at the time of writing, this leaves only Gible MT's Push Down and Garchomp MT's Dragon Fang open for damage boosts (as Gabite MT has no attacks that deal damage, per say), but this leaves possible combos open for later releases of Gabite and Gible.

    Open-ended pokemon sure are fun to examine... Just look at what they bring to the table: Garchomp happens to have 0 retreat cost, which makes it highly flexible when it comes to your options for active pokemon. As already observed by others, the massive 130 HP makes it able to survive most hits and thus requires 100 damage as the minimum damage to one shot it. Notice the massive list of pokemon who can deal the 100 colorless damage to one shot Garchomp. A Blissey with 8 energy would be able to one shot it. That'd require at least 5 energy to start, plus a boost energy. Delcatty EX CG requires 10 energy to be in discard, which rarely happens at an early enough time to avoid being pummeled by Garchomp.
    When you can deal 110 damage back to a Blissey with a mere 3 energy, it becomes evident why Garchomp is fearsome. The ability to singlehandedly rip apart decks such as Kricketune (which depend on low HP Stage 1s all sharing a common weakness) is incredible, when you also consider that it does this every turn for no additional cost. Every basic, stage 1 in the game (excluding Rayquaza EX d and Blissey), and all pre-Diamond/Pearl Stage 2 pokemon are one-shotted by this beast. The only possible way such an attack could be more devastating, would be for Rainbow Scale to add 20 more damage, so Garchomp would be dealing 130 damage (which would be a knockout on almost every pokemon, and thus completely broken).
    Let's compare to other high damage dealing pokemon, shall we? Blissey has already been examined. Electivire DP is doing similar damage (120) for one more energy, plus discarding all lightning energy on itself. Magmortar LV.X is dealing less damage for one more energy, all have to be the same color, and two energies must be discarded (though there is an advantage in that it can hit the bench). Salamence EX PK is doing 30 more damage for one more energy and discarding the top five cards of the deck. Rampardos is dealing 10 less damage for three specifically colored energy (all fighting, which by the way happens to have no energy accelerating pokemon) and the drawback of also dealing 20 recoil damage to itself (though it does bypass resistance and buffer piece, which Garchomp can not)

    All you have to do to gain this unparalleled straight damage advantage, is ensure you have one energy of the correct color attached, avoid using special energies, and remove all Battle Frontiers and Cessation Crystals from Play.

    The Cessation Crystal Weakness is removed via Warp Point (which works out well, since Garchomp has free retreat, so sending a second Garchomp active solves the retreat cost issue). Battle Frontier is wiped out via Windstorm, or in a Holon Mentor-able Basic Pokemon whom accelerates your pokemon from the deck onto the bench: Tauros CG. 3 energy is attached all at once with use of Swampert EX CG, or 2 energy are attached at a time from the bench via Raichu MT and Exeggutor MT. You even have the option of using Gardevoir PK, whose damage placed on self can be healed with some luck and any Gabite (use Marvelous Shine and land tails). The correct energy being attached is simple to do, since common supporters such as Mr. Stone's Project and Castaway search out basic energy.

    So the stage 2 itself has a massive strength and mostly inconsequential flaws. What about the pokemon leading up to it? A tall tree has to have strong roots to avoid toppling over in a windstorm.

    The stage 1, Gabite, has 80 HP (which is quickly becoming the standard HP for Stage 1 pokemon), 1 retreat cost, and all colorless energy costing attacks. The first attack recovers any energy in the discard, including special energies. This remains one of the only ways to directly place a Double Rainbow energy or a Boost Energy from the discard pile into your hand. His second attack will either place 4 damage counters on any of your opponent's pokemon, or recover 4 damage counters off one of your own. Sure, Gabite is not going to speed your set up in any way. However, a versatile Stage 1 allows for flexibility in your games, and Marvelous Shine is an incredible, yet unreliable, asset.

    The only truely weak point is the basic pokemon, Gible. 50 HP is about the lowest acceptable HP for a basic, meaning that a Riolu with a Pluspower will not instantly KO it, nor will a Gabite's Marvelous shine KO Gible. However, Gible fails to present any way to hasten having a Garchomp attacking, and deals merely 10 damage with it's attack. The forced switch is a fun effect, however, the rest of the Gible Family does not directly benefit from such an attack (due to no reliance on spread damage), and the opponent choosing the pokemon to bring active greatly diminishes Push Down's utility purposes.

    To conclude:

    +Largely safe from being one-shotted due to weakness only being exploitable by late game Blissey and Crystal Shard
    +No reliance on more then one energy of any type makes it able to prepare multiple Garchomps or secondary attackers with few problems related to specific energy
    +Pure Colorless cost makes support line possibilities wide open
    +Stage 1 possesses two remarkable abilities, only weakened by being potentially useless early game
    +Able to one shot a vast majority of the pokemon in the game, only pausing at newer stage 2 pokemon
    +No other pokemon can match Garchomp in damage output without suffering from recoil effects. Garchomp has no such self-inflicted wounds.
    -Stage 2
    -Pokemon line does not have any means of searching out the final evolution, nor does it have a means of adding extra energy onto the main attacker (however, Gabite can indirectly do this by retrieving Boost Energy)
    -Basic pokemon does almost nothing to support the line
    -Despite being easy to counter, the means to turn off Garchomp's most valuable Asset (Rainbow Scale) are found in several decks (Cessation Crystal and Battle Frontier).

    Modified: 9/10. You can't run Garchomp without aid to overcome his weak first few turns, and this prevents a 10/10.
    Limited: 10/10. Garchomp deals the most damage out of the set for very little cost, can be placed into any deck due to energy costs, and the stage 1's Marvelous Shine lives up to the name in this format. Gible's weakness is shared by most pokemon in this format, thus this pokemon is the single best line to run in Limited Format (MT).

    On an unrelated, yet hilarious note: Mirror Matches between Garchomp decks really turn into who get's set up faster, as Garchomp is not capable of one-shotting itself without Lake Boundary being in play (due to there being no basic colorless energy). And no one will play a Lake Boundary in a Garchomp deck due to it not assisting Rainbow Scale and suddenly a Crystal shard on almost any stage 2 is an OHKO for Garchomp. [del]And for some reason, quick reply boxes make it FAR too tempting to just write forever, due to not seeing how long the post is[/del] *SHOT for bad joke*
     
  13. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    Garchomp is a great card from the MT set. Standard HP for a Stage 2 (130) and free Retreat is really neat on a Stage 2 card, but with a Weakness to Colorless you'll have to be careful around Blissey and Delcatty. Its Poke-Body, Rainbow Scale, is neat in that it allows you to exploit the Weakness of opposing Pokemon by dealing an extra 40 damage, making Dragon Fang a 110 damage attack for 3 Energy, which is usually enough to OHKO or 2HKO any Pokemon. Throw in some Plus Powers and Energies that relate to your metagame area's Pokemon Weakness and go to town!

    Modified - 9.5/10 (Colorless Weakness to the now popular Blissey weighs it down a bit, but still a great card, will only get better once Garchomp Lv X is released)
    Limited - 10/10 (As you'll be playing with multiple energies here, there's a very great chance of winning should you be able to get this card out and running)
    Unlimited - 2/10 (Not really worth playing here, you'll just get SERed here)
     
  14. Croatian_Nidoking

    Croatian_Nidoking New Member

    Garchomp is a solution looking for a problem. On the one hand, it as a ton of HP, free retreat, a Boostable attack, and a highly adaptable Poke-Body. On the other hand, said Poke-body requires that Garchomp have nothing but Basic Energies on it, which slows it down a bit. Colorless Weakness is problematic due to the presence of Blissey and Catty ex, but, as Rai mentioned above, this isn't really a problem until the endgame. BF and Cessation Crystal can be managed using Windstorm (a requirement in any Garchomp deck).

    When Garchomp Lvl. X comes out in the States, this card will be a beast. Until then, it's still pretty good. It just needs some form of energy acceleration to work - Firestarter Typhlosion/Blaziken, Exeggutor MT, and (my preference) Raichu MT are your best bets.

    I give Garchomp a 4/5.

    - Croatian "watch out for the Land Shark" Nidoking
     
  15. PokeMontoya

    PokeMontoya New Member

    Greatest Post Ever

    I hope you have a deck list in mind to I would love to share ideas to make it work
     
  16. KingGengar

    KingGengar New Member

    Garchomp is awesome and I can only improve on Rai's post by saying that Gible is terrific against Kricketune- Gust out the Tot with one Energy and make him wait one more turn!
     
  17. Lawman

    Lawman Active Member

    But the Gible player doesnt get to choose which benched poke (tot or not) to bring up, the oppo chooses.

    OT: I like Garchomp, just looking for the right partner to run with it. I needs energy accelaration IMO. If it was a delta Poke, flygon would be broken w/ this poke (green guy).

    Keith
     
  18. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    if someone was mega pwnage, they could give it the ariados d move, but 3 stage 2's would be evil to control. i like the idea of areodactl d atm
     
  19. Expert Ty

    Expert Ty New Member

    In the present format Garchomp is limited to being a late-game sweeper. Only Swampert ex can power it up, and that takes three basic energies in the discard pile and Holon Circle out (only to be replaced by Crystal Beach on the next turn). And if you can only use him like that you might as well use Salamence ex with an attack that knocks out anything but the strongest ex pokémon clean with a buffer attached or Torterra Lv. X. Free retreat, healthy HP, and limited weakness are nice, but this guy just screams for some kind of energy accelerator (the lack of a resistance really blows, too). I have built a Garchomp-only deck, and it consistently works T3. The problem is that as soon as your opponent sees what you're doing it will become a speed game that Garchomp just can't win. Come T3 every effort has been invested in getting Garchomp running. There's nothing on the bench, and your opponent is content to build up letting you knock out the cannon fodder. I'll keep working with it, but I think I'm just looking at Salamence δ all over again (and that had an energy accelerator).
    Modified - 4/10 If it were so good we would be seeing it used somewhere by somebody good.
    Limited - 10/10 Get him out, and it's game over.
    Unlimited - 1/10 Maybe he could be used in one of those Firestarter/Delta Charge decks with energy movement, but there are other cards that do a much better job for less fuss.
     
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