Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

A little tired of Silly names for existing decks

ShadowGuard said:
The problem is, not everyone knows what you're speaking about with such names.

I called my Nationals deck "Atlantis", I created it by myself but I know that there are other people who created similar decks so I speak of "Empoleon/Bronzong" in public.

Once names are known by most of the players, it shouldn't be a problem to use them. You know what Plox is and you know what Skittles is.

Of course Plox is based on G/G but it's not the same deck. They don't necessary need a new name for it (since Magmortar/Claydol and Magmortar/Typhlosion/Delcatty don't have special names either), but now it has one and I don't see a problem there.
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Well... for some reason or another, Magmortar has always just been... Magmortar. :rolleyes: Magmortar builds are also for the most part the same, nothing like Plox and GG where the focus of the deck is COMPLEATLY different.

Plox > all

<3 Plox.
 
I think PLOX is one of the most creative names we have yet. I miss the days where every deck had a cool name ( i.e LBS, Ludicargo, Dragtrode, Metanite, Delta) Nowadays everything is named after whats in it directly. Magmortar. GG. Someone think outside the box please.

I also <3 PLOX
 
How about we stop naming things and claiming who built what first? I could state that I was the first creator of Gardylade because I had the supplies first and built the deck before anyone else and for all you guys know I could have called the deck "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" for no reason at all.

Heck, I didn't even know R-gon was R-gon till I looked here, and I made it with the help of some people at a BR.

I think people can name decks whatever they want. If someone wants to call Gardylade Plox or PB&JT, or PK Awesome or whatever it is, go for it. People already do it by renaming already known variants and changing like 1 or 2 things in them.

And how many TRUK variants are there now? A million?

Seriously people, stop whining about deck names. They're DECK names for crying out loud. Next thing you know people are gonna try to change the names of already existing attacks so they can say its their version of the attack.
 
DarthPika said:
Well... for some reason or another, Magmortar has always just been... Magmortar. :rolleyes: Magmortar builds are also for the most part the same, nothing like Plox and GG where the focus of the deck is COMPLEATLY different.

Plox > all

<3 Plox.
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You are fooling your self if you actually believe that there is any change in Focus between Plox and GG. Are you telling me that in your PLOX build you never, ever use Psychic Cut. I hardly think so. And if you do not think I extensively have used Psychic Lock to win Games with my G&G deck that I have used then you are wrong. I have successfully used this deck from the very 1st City Championship earlier this year. Everyone knows that Gallade is just an average attacker once the prizes are flipped over, that is why G&G will not win unless you have an alternate late game strategy. No way your focus in PLOX can be any different then the focus of my G&G. Aggro Gardevoir is essential in stopping any decks that rely on Powers, that is not a new revelation at all to existing G&G players I am sorry if you thought that was an unique strategy. I learned very quickly that attacking with an early Gardevoir was the winning strategy against Magmortar/Delcatty/Typlosian decks. And I am sure that I was not the only G&G player to do so. That is why I ran 3 Gardevoirs and one X in my States/Regionals deck and only two Gallades.

I would put my G&G build up against anyone else as, I have a Mirror Match win percentage over 70% in states and regional. With it I went 4-2, 4-2 and 5-3 in states and regional. In those matches I was 2-0, 2-1, and 3-2 in Mirror matches. (two of those three losses were to Paul J. the #1 player in North America) So I think I can say that I speak from knowledge about the deck and how it works.
 
JandPDS said:
You are fooling your self if you actually believe that there is any change in Focus between Plox and GG. Are you telling me that in your PLOX build you never, ever use Psychic Cut. I hardly think so. And if you do not think I extensively have used Psychic Lock to win Games with my G&G deck that I have used then you are wrong. I have successfully used this deck from the very 1st City Championship earlier this year. Everyone knows that Gallade is just an average attacker once the prizes are flipped over, that is why G&G will not win unless you have an alternate late game strategy. No way your focus in PLOX can be any different then the focus of my G&G. Aggro Gardevoir is essential in stopping any decks that rely on Powers, that is not a new revelation at all to existing G&G players I am sorry if you thought that was an unique strategy. I learned very quickly that attacking with an early Gardevoir was the winning strategy against Magmortar/Delcatty/Typlosian decks. And I am sure that I was not the only G&G player to do so. That is why I ran 3 Gardevoirs and one X in my States/Regionals deck and only two Gallades.

I would put my G&G build up against anyone else as, I have a Mirror Match win percentage over 70% in states and regional. With it I went 4-2, 4-2 and 5-3 in states and regional. In those matches I was 2-0, 2-1, and 3-2 in Mirror matches. (two of those three losses were to Paul J. the #1 player in North America) So I think I can say that I speak from knowledge about the deck and how it works.
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What your are talking about sounds like a Plox, not a G&G. There IS a difference, but this is getting off topic.
 
You are fooling your self if you actually believe that there is any change in Focus between Plox and GG. Are you telling me that in your PLOX build you never, ever use Psychic Cut.
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Adding to this, you can't have a sole deck based on pure Gardevoir just attacking with Psychic Lock, either. If you run into a deck with pure aggro that relies not on its powers, even shutting down Telepass, without having Gallade, either, you're in some crap. I made a deck called "Plox Slayer" for that reason. Anyone using sole Plox will not have a chance due to metal having resistance, plus buffer pieces, plus ball engine, plus no powers. (granted the deck is terrible against almost everything else, but killing the crap out of these so called "plox" variants is very amusing.)

Against a pure aggro deck, Psychic Lock is nothing more than a Delcatty EX's Tail Slap. Vanilla 60 damage, which IMHO in a format which good pokemon have 130 HP, is less than exemplary. adding that DRE that it typically uses, 50. Without plus power/charm, you can't even kill that guy in 2 shots. You need Gallade. Pure Plox is all cool, it works against a lot, but pure aggro without that Gallade, not happening. The deck needs both to survive.

I don't see this whole "Plox" thing myself. In essence, the deck is Gardylade, either way you look at it.

Gardevoir helps Gallade. Gallade helps Gardevoir. Without both, the deck is not nearly as powerful as one makes it out to truly be, which is why I don't see why it shouldn't just be called Gardylade, as you run both, don't you? (Or one would hope)
 
It does use both, but usually onely 1/2 Gallade (2 only incase one is prized) and usually has a Claydol line for recovering form Wager. Plox tipicaly also have a thinner trainer line, more techs and use pachy as a starter. Theres not much of a difference but it is there.
 
In essence though, it'd be safe to assume that Plox is just a variant of Gardylade by that reasoning. Everyone plays decks differently. R-gon was the same way, no? Some R-gon ran Eeveelutions, some didn't bother, some ran Nidoqueen D, some ran Rayquaza D. Some ran 3 Flygon EX and 2 D, some ran 3 D and two Flygon EX, in the end, wasn't it still just R-gon?

I just don't see it if theres a reason its called Plox and not just Gardylade. It just seems the same.

Besides, if someone does win Worlds with it, its gonna get another name anyways. I'd go with Peanut Butter Jelly Time, myself.. lol.
 
Enough arguing on this one.

The discussion will not filter into a discussion of G&G vs Plox.

I will lock if I have to, and don't really want to.

In the end, call your deck what you want.

Vince
 
I still call any Gardy deck "Strange Delusions". Reason? My original Gardy deck had a side strategy that involved Tentacruel's "Strange Tentacles" Poke-Power to put more Energy into play. I then thought about how Psychics work, and came up with Delusions as the best way of describing that deck. I later took out the Tentacruel, but kept the name. This year, I started playing Gardy again, trying to use the RS Gardy to accel Gallade as much as possible. Now Strange Delusions v. X because of the RS Gardy. Playtesting told me that the SW Gardy was MUCH better than RS Gardy, so I slowly changed it around. It's still Strange Delusions v. X because it's now focused around card acceleration rather than energy acceleration, and it's still Gardy.

Other decks include FlexTecH, Raindance, LudiCargo, and Electranite. The names pretty much tell you what the decks were. Nothing will surpass Strange Delusions in my mind, though.
 
Ok back on topic, I am just trying to point out that a deck should never be known by the tech cards that it contains. Tech cards are just that techs, and are support pokemon to help with set up or with particular matchups. They are never the main strategy of the deck and as such really should have no bearing on the name of the deck. IF one G&G has claydoll and is called "apple" , another runs furret instead and is called "banana" and a third has stantler and is known as "orange". What do we resort to calling a deck with all three in it "Fruit Salad"??


All I am saying is that it is confusing for decks with the same (or 90% the same) focus to be called so many different names when they are the same basic idea. My wife's Magmortar deck in its current form is very much changed from when she started with it in Citys. But she dose not claim to have "Created" a new deck each time she changes it, it is always her Magmortar deck. And can still beat you down just as fast as ever, although the build has gone through numerous changes overall it is still the same deck.

Now if a deck relied on a new card as a main attacker for the deck, then an argument can be made that it
possibly it is a new type of deck, but my feeling is that if a player is forced to attack with Claydoll in a late game situation, then in most likelyhood that particular game is not going well for them at that point. There is a very good reason as to why you do not see any Claydoll decks posted on the Gym, it cant attack, and as such it is and always will be just a Tech card in some other deck. Not a main deck component that should have any impact on the decks name.

I mean what is next, deck names being decided on the Stadium card on the list? I used to run a Flaridos deck, but then I replaced Full Flame with High Pressure system and my "Fire Storm" deck is unstoppable.
 
The thing is a lot of people have different defernitions of GG. Some people think GG is a deck that has gallade as the main attacker and has gardy as a back up attacker and set up. A lot of other people think GG is just a deck that has Gardy and gallade as main cards no matter the main attacker. If you go by the second definition Plox is GG. If not plox is a totaly different deck.
 
What names caught on without massive promotion efforts?
All props to Jimmy Ballard in his ability to market the name of his decks, but If people didn't have the "stature" and knack for promotion like Jimmy, what ever name you give it won’t stick, unless it describes the deck.

GarnyGallad (when spoken) or PLOX, both describe the deck,
LBS - Lugia Blastois Steelix
Ludi - Ludicargo, with some tech
Monarchy - King and Queen
Queendom – Nidoqueen
Skittles – Name fits because because the multiple energy type and rainbow of Ho-oH.
Toge-Chomp – Duh
Etc.

Here are my experiences with names.

MoonRock – Name I tried to give my version lunatone-solrock deck after winning the first states with it. Did it stick, I think names like luna-rock or luna-sol stuck.
Destiny – What people called my Rayquazza deck which my son won a states, and I won a regionals, and 4th in Nationals with. But it wasn’t Destiny, the number of cards different was incredible, because I ran a Castaway/Mary/Lanette/Copy Cat Engine, that fitted in 11 Reversals/ER2/Warps, and unorthodox cards such as Oran and Balloon berries. I actually enjoyed the fact that folks called it Destiny, then they had no idea about the tech.

BOTTOM LINE, Deck Name does need to describe the deck in some way if it is going to be refered to by 3rd parties in conversation, unless you are Jimmy Ballard.
 
Blaziken 1111 said:
The thing is a lot of people have different defernitions of GG. Some people think GG is a deck that has gallade as the main attacker and has gardy as a back up attacker and set up. A lot of other people think GG is just a deck that has Gardy and gallade as main cards no matter the main attacker. If you go by the second definition Plox is GG. If not plox is a totaly different deck.
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Ok what you are claiming here is that two decks can have the very same cards in it yet.. yet at the same time they are totaly different? I fail to see any logic in that statement. A deck is a deck is a deck, and if two decks with the same main cards in it face off against eachother, it is known as a mirror match no matter what names the owners of the two decks may call them by.

A "Plox" player may wish to emphasis attacking with Garvedoir, but I guarentee you that if play against them and on turn two you find yourself with only one Stage 1 or 2 Pokemon in play, and the "Plox" player has a Ralts active with one energy on it. And they have a rare candy , Double rainbow hand. Then they draw a Cielos, That player will search for Gallade with it, over searching for a Gardevoir 100 out of 100 times.
 
Naki Feralkin said:
In essence though, it'd be safe to assume that Plox is just a variant of Gardylade by that reasoning. Everyone plays decks differently. R-gon was the same way, no? Some R-gon ran Eeveelutions, some didn't bother, some ran Nidoqueen D, some ran Rayquaza D. Some ran 3 Flygon EX and 2 D, some ran 3 D and two Flygon EX, in the end, wasn't it still just R-gon?

I just don't see it if theres a reason its called Plox and not just Gardylade. It just seems the same.

Besides, if someone does win Worlds with it, its gonna get another name anyways. I'd go with Peanut Butter Jelly Time, myself.. lol.
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No.

R-Gon did not run any sort of eevees. No nidoqueen either.

None of that jank.
 
Umbreon777 said:
I think PLOX is one of the most creative names we have yet. I miss the days where every deck had a cool name ( i.e LBS, Ludicargo, Dragtrode, Metanite, Delta) Nowadays everything is named after whats in it directly. Magmortar. GG. Someone think outside the box please.

I also <3 PLOX
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Way to go and contradict yourself Dustin. You liked LBS, but GG is pretty much the same as LBS. Lugia/Blastoise/Steelix or Gardevoir/Gallade. I dont see a huge difference.

Drew
 
TheDarkTwins said:
Way to go and contradict yourself Dustin. You liked LBS, but GG is pretty much the same as LBS. Lugia/Blastoise/Steelix or Gardevoir/Gallade. I dont see a huge difference.

Drew
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Not to mention that the inventor of this deck Ross C. wished for it to be known as "Storm"
 
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