A response to those wanting details on decks played

Discussion in 'Battle Roads' started by meganium45, Oct 1, 2007.

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  1. meganium45

    meganium45 Active Member

    I know it must frustrate some of you to read deck reports that have decks that have and the winning deck was a Garchomp variant, or a TRUK deck, or some other nonsense that you do not understand.

    For you all, I would simply say, it is the right of a deck player to post, or refuse to post any information he or she wants to about their deck.

    Furthermore, I am a bit dismayed at a few people who seem to take the attitude that it is their right to know what was played. It is not your right, it is your privelidge.

    Some people are proud, "Hey, I still won with Infercatty" and others have worked hard to develop a deck that they feel is cutting edge.

    If you want to know the contents, PM them about it. Ask one of their opponents, or whatever.

    What will end up happening, is people will stop coming on the gym to brag about their wins. It will just turn into too much harassment.

    This is far too small a game. If a deck works well, it will leak around, and when it does, all will know.

    I have a standing order with my judges. You can report the winners, but as for the winning decks, leave that to the players. If they want to report, GREAT, if not, then that is cool too.

    I know this probably flies in the face of some of the other mods feelings on the 'gym, but so be it.

    Vince
     
  2. Cyrus

    Cyrus Iron Chef - Master Emeritus

    I personally think it's lame (even for my buds on HB, sorry :X) to "hide" information which was already made public knowledge (by actually playing the deck around other people). However, it's even lamer to criticize others for behavior...yet offer to give away free cards for those peoples' deck information!

    /end vague, mildly-offensive jab.

    HOWEVER, this is a free speech board: if your message abides by the ToS, you should be able to say, or not say, anything you want to. This is about the overall tournament experience, and as long as you convey that, then your report is functional. I can't say or not say what's been functional as of late, but congrats to Meg for starting this thread.
     
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  3. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    If it said "this is a garchomp variant", then that would be fine.

    Gee we're in agreement!
    By the way, what Pokemon is TRUK? I haven't seen that one released yet.
    The report is not even mentioning Blissy!
    I'm sorry, but if even that piece of info is a state secret, then don't bother posting.
     
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  4. Prof Clay

    Prof Clay New Member

    Vince on the flip side to that...

    People do want well written tournament posts. If the report of each match is "I donked a newb", then people will quit taking time to actually read the tournament reports.

    People do have the right to keep the contents of their decks to themselves, but do they have the right to disclose the contents of someone elses deck in the report without their permission, especially if they are unwilling to reveal what they played as well?

    Clay
     
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  5. SD PokeMom

    SD PokeMom Mod Supervisor Staff Member

    one of the 'gym rules is 'write to be read'.

    if you're going to write a 'tourney report' that no one except your little 'in group' will understand, then WHY BOTHER? IMO such posts are SPAM, and will be deleted or locked. i don't see anyone asking for a list, i see people wanting to know what matched up with what. if you're going to keep stuff that much under wraps, then don't post it here; you're not informing the community of anything, just rubbing your 'secret' in people's faces. in other words, trolling.

    'mom
     
  6. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Here, this is an example of a tourney report of the PokeGym dated 1999:

    This is how it's done.

    Does every report need to be as detailed?
    No.
    But it needs to be more than
    "I played a deck with stuff and I'm not even mentioning one single card.
    I beat some people, one guy beat me.
    I won.
    Yay"

    That is not a deck list.
    That is spam
     
  7. TheDarkTwins

    TheDarkTwins Active Member

    I am pretty sure that TRUK is Rampardos from MT. I am not 100% certain of it, but I am pretty sure.

    Drew
     
  8. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    That's not a tournament report either, it's bragging and like PokeMom said, it's rubbing their "secret" in the face of the readers on this forum.

    We all enjoy a nice tournament report. We are not asking for a list or a group of cards in your deck. We just want a competent report that someone that wasn't playing the game could comprehend.

    That is not too much to ask, and I agree 100% with the locking of the reports.

    M45: You said, "This is far too small a game. If a deck works well, it will leak around, and when it does, all will know."

    Which is the best reason possible why NOT to hide your information. The idea is already public, and will be known by all sooner or later.
     
  9. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Which is exactly the point.
    If the reader of a report doesn't even know the main attacker of a deck, forget all the techs and the engine that is used to get that attacker out, then it's not a report.

    No one is asking for the techs and the trainer engine.

    If someone is asking for that somewhere else, that has nothing to do with this discussion.

    Is is Blissy? Is it Rampardos?
    If that's too much info to give out, then it's not worth even posting.
     
  10. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Look, here is a fine report:

    http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=60543

    All that we find out about his deck is that it is a Blissy deck and he reveals these other three cards:
    Hapiny (duh), Chansey (double-duh) and TV Reporter (heavens, now I know the trainer engine!)

    [edit]Oh, and I forgot, Boost! How would anyone think to put Boost in a Blissy deck on their own?[/edit]

    But this is a fine report.
    We can follow the action as he describes it.
    Does he give away the deck construction? No, not at all. Once you know it's Blissy, those other three cards are all logical and obvious choices.
    The parts of the deck that make it work better than someone else's deck are all still secret.
    What is hard to understand about this for some people?
     
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  11. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    Not all the TRUKs are public knowledge yet, first of all.

    Secondly, the secretive player's mindset is "later rather than sooner." He doesn't want to spill the beans about his deck choice, but at the same time he wants to have a little fun by posting a tournament report. So what is this player to do? Why, give his deck a codename, of course.

    Reports featuring codenamed decks are being locked now. They've been determined by the Admins/Mods here to be spam, and have been dealt with as such. So why are we still raising a fuss about this topic? The issue has been resolved. =/
     
  12. Rainbowgym

    Rainbowgym Active Member


    Sorry Vince but I think there is no need to make "reports' as what we are seeing right now
    It has NOTHING to do with a report.
    If people want to brag about their win, there is an easy place, put it in my winner topic and your name will be displayed (with our without main Pokemon).
    But don't call a topic with things like "my Mercedes run over your MG" a tournament report, because it isn't.

    I have no problem if people want to keep their deck secret or not willing to let others know the main Pokemon. But serious what are you giving out if you name 1 of your Pokemon?
    I also have no problem if people say I won BR XX, it's their right to be proud.
    There are several reports who are a pleasure to read, even without giving heavy detailed information.
    One of my favorite writers is EricNance, ├Żou can almost feel how it has been during that tournament.
    Not everybody is able to write that way, but there is a big difference in not willing to write a decent report and therefor putting up a lot of garbage and not being able to do so.
     
  13. SHPanda

    SHPanda New Member

    but rampardos is the original truk. Plus "XXXX TRUK" sounds cool :p
     
  14. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    Great post Meg45. I know there are few people in my area who post on Pokegym, and they won't reveal the decks I have played. Intimidation is a strategy and letting people know that a deck exists that can win is enough to throw people into disarray and create an edge for friends and teammates who have tournaments in the future. It's more intimidating to make up a codename than to post the real lines.

    And Meg45 hit the nail on the head. We've been loose on AIM with the main lines in some of our BR decks (Pickup TRUK, the TRUK, Moving TRUK, Ice TRUK), as people have pretty much found out by seeing them played by our members at the tournaments down in the US.

    And TRUK isn't a single Pokemon. It's a series of decks that all feature different Pokemon. So no, Rampardos isn't "TRUK". Rampardos was the original deck that APT (your WORLD CHAMP) decided to call the TRUK for some reason, which started the fad lol
     
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  15. meganium45

    meganium45 Active Member

    I am glad I have at least started a fun discussion.

    Let's put it this way...a lot of people hide their decks, even those who post reports.

    Steve A was happy to post winning decks of every division but his kids. Not picking on you Steve, but a perfect example.

    I know all the hahaha spam and inside joke posts need to go, I am not defending those.

    I am simply tired of the posts by some members who seem to demand information that they are not entitled to, because they have NOT put the work into developing a concept.

    Talk with you soon.

    Vince
     
  16. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    There you go Vince.
    Do we want the 'Gym to be a venue for growing the game, or intimidating people?
     
  17. SHPanda

    SHPanda New Member

    here are 4 truks that seem to be widely known enough that it'll clear up some confusion

    pickup = blisscatty(ino its already a deck but hey, who says you can't have fun naming things =p)
    moving = blissvire
    ice = walrein
    the TRUK=rampardos

    all theses are of course on the TRUK engine
     
  18. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    yep, all of the names do make sense with what the deck does (except for "the TRUK" lolol). We just had fun making up random names for them.

    of course, the TRUK engine is what makes the decks tick better than regular decks but thats staying hidden =X

    and theres still plenty more hidden TRUKs, and more to be created
     
  19. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Yes! Keep the engine hidden!
    Do not reveal how the deck works.
    That is fine!
    We do not have a problem with that. Keep what needs to be secret, secret.

    Just don't go so overboard that the entire report is spam with no actual content.

    Is this clear now?
     
  20. I'de preffer gym to be intimidating, so much more fun.

    AMBUSH BUDDY!

    Anyways, I thought I was the one that came up with TRUK name. =( And then I thought pram put the "the" on it and then made all those other names.

    Now I'm sad. =(
     
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