Alll mighty eevenoir shall rule the world

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by roaringforest, May 7, 2008.

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  1. roaringforest

    roaringforest New Member

    And I ussually have a t3 espion, Leafeon X or Glacion X, Glacion or Leafeon deppending on X, and an Umbreon, Thanks to this list:

    Pokemon (18):

    Eevee x4
    Leafeon x1
    Leafeon Lv.X x1
    Glaceon x2
    Glaceon Lv.X x2
    Espeon x1
    Umbreon x1
    Claydol x2
    Baltoy x2

    Trainers (26):

    Ceilio's x4
    Professor Oak's Visit x4
    Roseanne's x3
    Premier Ball x2
    Crystal Beach 2
    Lake Boundary x1
    TSD x1
    NM x2
    Wager x2
    4 Pokedx
    1 Dawn stadium


    Energy (16):

    Water x6
    Grass x5
    Psychic x2
    Dark x2
    1 SPECIAL DARK

    Strategy get a T3

    Glacion X

    Leafeon X Espion Dusknoir(MAYBE) Umbreon Claydol,

    Ready for action!ANY HELP!
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2008
  2. revdjweb

    revdjweb New Member

    i quit paying attention as soon as i saw glaceon lvl x and leafeon lvl x in the same decklist
    too much stuff to try to get out before GG blows you to kingdom come
     
  3. pikachu*

    pikachu* New Member

    Run only 1 of the 2 LvXs. Also 1-1-1 duskinoir isn't a good idea. Cause it is very likely that you will prize one of the 3 cards in the line. Also if you are running Claydol you should run steven's with it. Hope it helps.
     
  4. Diaz

    Diaz New Member

    I disagree, running both isn't all that bad.

    - Crystal Beach
    - Dusknoir line
    - a couple basic energies

    + more lake boundary
    + more espeon and umbreon
    + DREs
     
  5. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Then I must give you credit, you lasted longer than me. I stopped taking this thread seriously when I saw he claims to get T3 Glaceon X/Leafeon X, Umbreon, and Espeon without a starter.

    Focus on Leafeon or Glaceon, the two together combo as well as an electrical socket and a butter knife.
     
  6. roaringforest

    roaringforest New Member

    They're only starter is EEVEE
     
  7. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Precisely. Thus you are implying that through only a few draw and search you are able to grab 4 cards in 2-3 turns every game, 2 of which you only play 1 of each of, without the use of Claydol. If you luck is that good, I would suggest you quit pokemon and buy a lottery ticket.
     
  8. Diaz

    Diaz New Member

    Its really not that hard to get a lvlx and an umbreon by turn three. He'll start with eevee most of the time and has 4 celios and 2 premier balls with which to get out his stuff by turn three. its really not that hard. Lay off and go test it.
     
  9. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Starting with eevee does nothing to remedy the situation, except make it even remotely possible.
    He would need to start with eevee. with 7 Basics, 4 of which are eevee, he has approximatly a 70% chance of this. Not unreasonable.
    He would need one of 4 cards (either Leaf or Glac), or a Celio to get it T1-2. Since only 6 carrds fit the bill, he has approximatly a 75% chance of this.

    So far, this scenario has an approximate chance of 52.5% of happening within the first tow turns, with a 9 card hand taken into account.

    Now he would need one of the 2 Lv X's, or one of the 2 Premier Balls in order to get a Lv X (or a Celio), giving him around 78% chance of getting the Lv X.

    This scenario has a 41% chance of happening, assuming he always starts with at least one celio.

    I tested it. Even with Generous Leway given, he has a 40% chance of getting this, assumig nothing is prized.

    As I said, if you get that EVERY TIME, go buy a lottery ticket.

    Now, as I said before, focus on either Leafeon or Glaceon, together, the two do little to nothing for one another.
     
  10. roaringforest

    roaringforest New Member

    ER! WRONG ! Leafeon compliments Glacion with Energy costs, then DAWN STADIUM, then SPEED glacion to front and damage
     
  11. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Glaceon needs 3 energy to attack. You currently have an engine in here to setup unnessesary energy, considering you can easily use Glaceon MD's two energy attack to spread damage. You are much better off setting up more damage spread and Trainers to help you out (such as Plus Power to help out with your low dmaage potential).
     
  12. roaringforest

    roaringforest New Member

    What two energy attack? and any advice to this problem
     
  13. Diaz

    Diaz New Member

    40% on getting an amazing start isn't really that bad. He also could play draw cards durring the first few turns and draw into things to get stuff out. Even if he doesn't focus on getting both out, it is a good asset to have in your deck. It helps with energy and hits kabutop's weeknes. Plox doesn't emphasize gallade, does that deck throw out gallade? No, its a backup. It doesn't even get used in every game, because psychic lock is so important and finishes games before you need anything else.
     
  14. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    Notice I completely left out Umbreon and Espeon, which drops it down to 3%.
    I also left out energy, and I also said this was generous.
    I ran the calcs, I was way off. 9% of that said start, without counting energies, Umbreon, and Espeon.
    My apologies.
     
  15. roaringforest

    roaringforest New Member

    I don't completely have anythingagainst your percents, but there are a lot of factors being missed, such as drawing a card and thinning out the deck, also I power up Umbreon sometimes as a staller or potential knock-out hitter(ITS A GOOD ATTACKER)
     
  16. V_For_Vendetta

    V_For_Vendetta New Member

    No point in wasting my breath to those who only pick at small points and do not comment on suggestions I make towards their deck. I wish you luck with your deck.
     
  17. Rain_Dancer

    Rain_Dancer New Member

    Omg this is driving me insane all of yall are bagging on this guys deck just cause it starts out with 4 eevee...umm may i remind you that scizor ran 4 syther and had aalmost the same attack and was amazing in the last format...sure it didnt win anything but I got top at everything i went to with it......and i plan on runnnng the same deck for my br's and its amazing 4 eevee start and i guarentte you'll start with any eeveelution by turn 2...cuz thats what i start with......all of yall are bagging on this deck now but once yall see it winning yall are going to be like hey this deck is ok and start building because yall are net deckers............get beasted......im out....i wish you luck with your deck and hope you win every single one you go to.......
     
  18. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    Scizor only had to get out Scizors.
    Not a Glaceon/Leafeon Lv X, Espeon, Umbreon, and Claydol, buy turn three.
    Scizor=Stage 1
    Leafeon/Glaceon=non rare candyable stage 2 that can only evolve when active.
    there ya have it yall...
     
  19. Rain_Dancer

    Rain_Dancer New Member

    but you not trying to get all of those out by turn 3......they fall into place while your playing.....when you start its eevee then either glace or leaf....then the X....
     
  20. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    What?
    If I remember right, getting multiple Scizor out fast and early was the whole point of a Scizor deck was it not?
    Of course you didnt need 3 Scizor out by turn 3, but it was very possible.
    Maybe I wasnt clear when I said this
    Hopefully that was a bit clearer.
    It is much easier to get out almost any other kind of Pokemon than it is to get out a stage 1 Lv X (or any lv X for that matter) because even after Rare Candy or things like that you still have to wait a turn and have it active to lv up.

    As for the deck, I think that too much is trying to be accomplished in it.
    I can see one of the Eevee Lv X's being played with the other as it being a support card or tech like a 1-1 Leafeon/X in a Glaceon X based deck, or the other way around.
    But trying to focus on both Leafeon and Glaceon with their Lv X's is just a bit too much.
    So either a 1-1 Glaceon or Leafeon Lv X line should be taken out.
     
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