Ashes, Ashes we all fall down. . .(Blaziken/EX)

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by Kyogre, Mar 7, 2004.

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  1. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    So I got my goal of getting 2 Blaziken EX and 2 Team Aqua's Manectric Lines at the pre-release so here is the deck I came up with.

    Pokemon(25):
    4x Torchic
    2x Combusken
    3x Blaziken (Fire Starter)
    2x Blaziken EX
    2x Team Aqua's Manectric
    2x Team Aqua's Electrite
    2x Skitty
    2x Delcatty
    4x Dunsparce
    2x Rayquaza EX

    Trainers(19):
    4x Oracle
    4x Prof. Oak's Research
    4x Rare Candy
    4x TV Reporter
    2x Switch
    1x Town Volunteers

    Energies(16):
    4x Electric
    12x Fire

    You know the drill, any fixes?
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2004
  2. Ez1

    Ez1 New Member

    I would suggest the following changes:

    1. Add an additional blaziken-you need to be able to set-up 2.
    You don't want to lose because they are both in your prizes.
    2. Add 1 Entei ex-not overpowering but it gives you an additional
    attacker.
    3. Add 3 TV reporter-the oracle/tv/delcatty combo is
    much more powerful.
    4. Minus 3 Pro. elm-not needed with oracle/tv/kitty combo.
    5. Minus 5 fire energy-13 are ok.
    6. Add 3 electric or even better 3 double rainbow. This enables
    manectric to be a back-up attacker which could be really good
    against a water pokie.

    These changes hopefully will give you more lines of
    attack. With a 2/2 blaziken line you will lose some games
    because critical cards are in your prizes.
    The extra attackers might keep you in the game
    and even free up your prize bound blazikens.

    I personally feel that the amphy line is better than the manectric.
    It takes 5 cards versus 4 but frees up a couple of warp point/switches.
    Hope this helps.
     
  3. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    I dunno about the Entei, I mean Rayquaza would be a better single support attacker wouldn't it? Also it can work with the energy needs of Manectric.

    Ok so how about this version:

    Pokemon(24):
    4x Torchic
    2x Combusken
    3x Blaziken (Fire Starter)
    2x Blaziken EX
    2x Team Aqua's Manectric
    2x Team Aqua's Electrite
    2x Skitty
    2x Delcatty
    4x Dunsparce
    1x Rayquaza EX

    Trainers(18):
    4x Oracle
    4x Prof. Oak's Research
    4x Rare Candy
    3x TV Reporter
    2x Switch
    1x Town Volunteers

    Energies(18):
    4x Electric
    14x Fire
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2004
  4. Ez1

    Ez1 New Member

    Much better....I agree on the rayquaza.....I think it
    is much stronger.....
    I would drop 2 fire NRG and add
    one more rayquaza and one more tv reporter.


    the four electrics still make manectric a viable
    back-up attacker....
     
  5. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    Third time is a charm:

    Pokemon(25):
    4x Torchic
    2x Combusken
    3x Blaziken (Fire Starter)
    2x Blaziken EX
    2x Team Aqua's Manectric
    2x Team Aqua's Electrite
    2x Skitty
    2x Delcatty
    4x Dunsparce
    2x Rayquaza EX

    Trainers(19):
    4x Oracle
    4x Prof. Oak's Research
    4x Rare Candy
    4x TV Reporter
    2x Switch
    1x Town Volunteers

    Energies(16):
    4x Electric
    12x Fire

    Edit: how did this suddenly become nearly the exact same thing as the new BAR deck?
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2004
  6. Ez1

    Ez1 New Member

    pretty close......blaziken ex is a supporter and aqua man. replaces
    amphy.....
    basically a
    B laziken
    R ayquaza
    A qua manectric
    D elcatty
    D unsparce
    a BRADD....

    so far not very original...............
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2004
  7. ColdCoates90

    ColdCoates90 New Member

    Someone else came up with a different name for this kind of deck:
    Rayquza
    Aqua's
    Manectric
    Blaizken
    OHKO
    RAMBO
    I wouldn't suggest Aqua's Manectric,it will slow you down.
     
  8. JasonthePwnda

    JasonthePwnda New Member

    Aqua's manectric is vital, and its much better than amphy.
     
  9. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    OMGosh, manectric OWNS ampharos in EVERY way. Manectric is one stage lower, has a better attack, has a lower retreat cost, can be pumped up with dark energy, and won't be shuffled out when the modified changes. Ampharos is useless now in BAR decks if you are smart and play with the better electric mover.
     
  10. YoungJohn06

    YoungJohn06 New Member

    Actually Ampharos still has it's advantages. Ampharos allows you to move your energy from Blaziken and Dunsparce and what ever else instead of JUST him self like Manectric. I agree Manectric is good but I might stay with Ampharos I'm not sure.
     
  11. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    I don't know why you would. An extra stage takes up room in the deck and without the stage 2, you can add more to the deck. Heck, you could try aqua belt and get manectric out first turn(well inbetween you and your opponent's first turn). AMpharos, you got to search your deck for a stage 2 AND have the rare candy. It's just so much easier to get manectric out, and it has a way better attack. Heck it's blaziken's attack but it does 10 to every bench. With dark, it would be able to do more damage. AMpharos has a crappy attack, 4 for 40, discard all energy and do 80, stupid attack really. IMO Manectric just owns ampharos in every catagory.
     
  12. Steven B

    Steven B New Member

    Entei Ex is a very good Pokemon to bring from the bench to launch a suprise attack. :)
     
  13. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    But its only 90 and its still weak to water. Meanwhile Ray EX is resistant to Water and can do unlimited.
     
  14. Steven B

    Steven B New Member

    Suppose so. I have never seen Ray Ex. ;)
     
  15. ~Blazi-King~

    ~Blazi-King~ New Member

    Youve never seen it.....omgosh youve got to...i would never think about not using it in any Blaze deck hehehehe
     
  16. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    So, About the deck. ;)
     
  17. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    I think rayquaza is still the better choice. It is much needed tech against water. Now with manectric, there is more water, so BAR really has no weakness now.
     
  18. YoungJohn06

    YoungJohn06 New Member


    Read my post about WHY I would use it over Manectric.

    In addition to that ampharos DOES have the better HP also.
     
  19. SuperWooper

    SuperWooper New Member

    Um....because you actually made a good deck the third time, and RAMBO decks are good... :rolleyes:

    Woop
     
  20. TheAnswer3

    TheAnswer3 New Member

    The whole Manectric vs. Amphy discussion is pointless, right now IMO the better card still is Ampharos for a few reasons.

    1st: Everyone says it takes up less room. ALL BAR decks should play 2/1/2 on Ampharos, with Manectric your basically dropping the Flaffy to go 2/2. THATS 1 SPOT, HOW DOES THAT MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE?
    2nd: Better HP, with Salamance starting to show up a bit more, Amphy is by far better than manectric which Sallymance eats ALIVE
    3rd- Its attack is godly vs Wailords and other random water, also for the whole wobbuffet issue.

    tA
     
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