ButterMoons: A new era of Creativity! *Article and Match-Ups Included*

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  1. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Hello everybody,

    Let me introduce myself a little bit. I’m Fabian Santiago from Malaysia. I’m in seniors and yes, I do not have a very good rating/record in sanctioned tournaments. I have started playing the Pokemon TCG competitively since last November and since then, I have grown as a player and a thinker. I have noticed this format. What this format lacks is creativity. The one thing that most players have not noticed about this format is thinking. I can see what POP have done with the format. They intentionally made the deck-pool small so that we can come up with new techs, and such. Seeing that GG/PLOX/Magmortar is dominating the current format, we do not notice that most games among archetypes are long. Therefore the game pushes towards the thinking side. We can’t focus on luck in this format. It wasn’t like last year where 50% of wins were through top-decking, donkage, what not. It’s better that the games are more exciting to look at because, match-ups between archetypes are pretty much, 50-50. So well, yes. Onto my deck. I have created this deck, out of creativity, to find something fun, yet strong. I do not consider this format breaking, but it can be if I get help from thy ‘gym members. I call this deck buttermoons. It may have the most deepest weakness to magmortar but it can be outsmarted. With this said, I present my version of buttermoons.

    Author: KaMewie
    Special thanks to: Swift1984 for the original deck idea.
    Format: HP-GE
    Last Update: 27/4/08
    Deck: Cresselia / Mothim

    Pokemon: 22

    2 Cresselia LV.X (GE)
    2 Cresselia (GE)
    3 Mothim (SW)
    3 Burmy Plant Coat (GE)
    3 Pachirisu (GE)
    1 Stantler (SW)
    2 Claydol (GE)
    2 Baltoy (GE)
    1 Jolteon* (PK)
    1 Absol ex (PK)
    1/1 Tech Line - See Below

    Energies: 18

    5 Grass Energy (DP)
    6 Psychic Energy (DP)
    2 Water Energy (DP) - If you do not play a water line tech, you can take out one of this for a cyclone.
    3 Scramble Energy (DF)
    2 Holon Energy WP (DF)

    Trainers: 20

    1 Phoebe's Stadium
    1 Moonlight Stadium (GE)
    1 Lake Boundary (MT)
    3 Celio's Network (CG)
    3 Roseanne's Research (SW)
    2 Steven's Advice (PK)
    3 Warp Point (CG)
    3 Team Galactic's Wager (MT)
    1 Leftovers (GE)
    2 Night Maintenance (MT)

    The point of this deck is to switch damage counters around with Cresselia LV.X onto Mothim to deal a certain number of damage. If Mothim silver winds for a turn and on the next turn it uses raging scales, it'll do 70. With Cresselia LV.X's Moon Skip, putting a damage counter onto Mothim will make the attack damage boost up to 110. I know, this seems rather hard and uneasy to pull off. Sometimes, Cresselia LV.X can even get you two prizes. I'll explain later on how to try and utilize its full potential.

    The Pokemon:

    Pachirisu - Great Encounters
    This is the ideal starter for the deck. Pulling of the basics you need fast enough utterly speeds up this deck and makes it easier to get the evolution fast enough.

    Stantler - Secret Wonders
    This is the card which will help you when you're struggling to get your supporters or not getting any at all. With no energy cost, getting just the supporter you need is very helpful.

    Cresselia - Great Encounters
    This card actually isn't really good and helpful. But, it is needed badly. It is not a dreadful start if you ever do start with this, but it's real weak and does not apply much damage. Just make sure to stall and get your Moonlight Stadium out fast enough to level up and pump the pressure.

    Cresselia LV.X - Great Encounters:
    This is the first out of the two cards mainly focused in this deck. Honestly, this card is mostly used because of its poke-power. Try and keep this card in your bench most of the time. Having one in play is good enough as it'll waste bench space and leaving a threat of Dusknoir. Sometimes, if the situation is right, you can pick up 2 prizes just by one attack and it could leave a real impact towards the status of the game.

    Burmy Plant Coat - Secret Wonders:
    If you do start with this card, try to utilize its Poke-Power a little bit and try your best to get a T2-T3 Mothim and play offensive. From there on, set up your Claydols and Cresselia LV.X and this game is yours.

    Mothim - Secret Wonders
    This is the second out of the two cards mainly focused in this deck. This is the main attacker of this deck. Try to get the damage counters leaving a high amount of damage on your opponent.

    Baltoy - Great Encounters
    This card is not that bad. If you do not have a good hand psychic balance can really help. The second attack isn't that bad too. Helps you set up for claydol and brings out an active that's needed. If you do start with this, try not to get too worried as it's not that bad.

    Claydol - Great Encounters
    This card is the card that helps you to set up. Refreshes your hand and speeds up the process of your game. The most support for set up you can possibly get is from this fella.

    Jolteon* - Power Keepers
    This card is used for it's Poke-Power. It's ability to place one damage counter upon play on each active pokemon can really help mothim apply extra damage if there's no damage counters in play, Cresselia LV.X has trouble coming out, prized or knocked out.

    Absol ex - Power Keepers
    This card is used for it's Poke-Power. It's ability to place 3 damage counters from one pokemon to another can easily grab 2 prizes with Cresselia LV.X or for a knock out.

    Tech Line:

    Dugtrio - Crystal Guardians
    This card can be used to prevent damage from coming onto the bench.

    Gyarados - Mysterious Treasures
    This card can be used for the magmotar match-up. With Cresselia LV.X and lake boundary, do expect some high damage to be applied through flail.

    Crawdaunt ex - Holon Phantoms
    This card can some how replace dusknoir a little bit. It also can help with the magmotar matchup.

    Jirachi ex - Crystal Guardians
    This card can be really useful playing against Gardyllade decks. Also, with lake boundary in play, it'll be even better.

    The Trainers

    Phoebe's Stadium - Power Keepers
    This card is used for the free retreat of Cresselia LV.X.

    Moonlight Stadium - Great Encounters
    This card is used for the free retreat of Cresselia LV.X. The reason why I put one of this in rather than 2 Phoebe's is because this can help absol ex sometimes.

    Lake Boundary - Mysterious Treasures
    This card is used to abuse your opponent's weaknesses. If playing a G&G deck, you can easily get the KO with this card in play. If playing a water tech line, it can also help with getting the KO.

    Celio's Network - Crystal Guardians
    This card is used for searching your evolution pokemon.

    Roseanne's Research - Secret Wonders
    This card is used for searching your basic pokemon and basic energies.

    Steven's Advice - Power Keepers
    This card is used for draw power. The reason I chose this out of the many other draw power is because this card can prove to be a game saver.

    Warp Point - Crystal Guardians
    This card can be very useful to force a pokemon of your opponents choice into the active position. Can be a matter of win and loss.

    Team Galactic's Wager - Mysterious Treasures
    This card is for giving your opponent constant hand disruption. If your opponent has a good hand use this card. Don't worry if you lose, you still have claydol to get them out again.

    Leftovers - Great Encounters
    This card is for saving yourself after the use of mass damage counter spreading on your own pokemon. This card can help when your opponent just needs that damage counter on.

    Night Maintenance - Secret Wonders
    This card is for recycling the cards you need back into your deck after being used.

    The Energies

    Basic Grass Energy - Diamond and Pearl
    This card is used for Mothim.

    Basic Psychic Energy - Diamond and Pearl
    This card is used for Cresselia LV.X.

    Basic Water Energy - Diamond and Pearl
    This card is used to help your water tech line and it can be a really good help with Holon WP attached.

    Cyclone Energy - Power Keepers
    This card can force your opponent to bring out a pokemon from his bench onto his active position upon attachment. Can be very useful at times.

    Scramble Energy - Dragon Frontiers
    This card can help your tech line and it can really help mothim when down on prizes.

    Holon Energy WP - Dragon Frontiers
    This card is used for the free retreat and sometimes prevent effects from your opponents attacks. Really helpful.

    Possible Changes

    -1 Stantler SW, +1 Burmy Plant Cloak SW
    Cutting a stantler for a burmy, can higher the possibility for burmy to appear easily.

    -1 Stantler SW, +1 Pachirisu GE
    Cutting a stantler for a pachirisu can higher the possibility getting a pachirisu start.

    -1 Water Energy, +1 Cyclone Energy PK
    Cutting a water for a cyclone can be a possible change if you do not play a water tech line. A cyclone attachment can be pretty helpful at times.

    -1 Moonlight Stadium GE, +1 Phoebe's Stadium PK
    Cutting a Moonlight Stadium for a Phoebe's might be better. But as for me, I find that moonlight stadium can help absol ex at times.

    Game play Instructions
    Hope for a Pachirisu start. From there on, call for a baltoy, cresselia and a burmy. The next turn, use up supporters and hope for evolution. Call for a baltoy and a burmy. If you do not get the supporter you really need or you are not getting supporters, call for a baltoy and a stantler instead of a burmy. Next turn, do what you have to, and set up. If you called for a stantler the previous turn, retreat into the stantler and start leading for the supporters you need. After what's said and done, you should have a Cresselia LV.X, 2 Claydols, 2 Mothims in play. Nothing can stop you from there on if you know how to play around with decks that are threats.


    Magmotar /v - (30/70)
    Get Gyarados and Cresselia LV.X out asap. With gyarados there, magmotar will have lots of trouble. Even without Cresselia LV.X, you can get Jolteon* out and it'll be over soon enough for magmotar. Since it needs atleast 6 energies to OHKO Gyarados, we can get the KO before it does.

    Gardy/Gallade /v - (40/60)
    This matchup is hard because of the constant usage of supporters that needs to get this deck going. With that, gardy will take advantage out of it. What we need to do is abuse our wagers and warp points. Get Jirachi ex out fast enough to hit some good damage that'll cost their game.

    Beedrill /v - (60/40)
    This matchup is very hard too. It's constant speed will take advantage. What we need to do here is not setup. We have to go all offensive. Get Mothim out fast and keep hitting. Beedrill will take time if they can't get the candies they need. The key here is Jolteon*. It'll be hard getting Cresselia LV.X out fast enough, so Jolteon* can help out.

    Banette /v - (40/60)
    We need to play offensive with this. Try and get mothim out quick and hit hard, build as you go along. Since this isn't THAT popular, you can get away with this.

    If you have a request for me to test against a matchup, please notify. I'll do it asap and let you know. Thanks!
    Last edited: May 6, 2008
  2. NidoPrince

    NidoPrince New Member

    Cloyster is the only thing I don't understand. Cloyster is your only Delta Pokemon, so it would be doing you no good. If you need bench protection, use Dugtrio CG.
  3. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    Very interesting idea. Mothim's attack adds damage if it has damage counters on it, I'm guessing, and the first attack adds damage on the Defending, not done by Mothim?
  4. Broccili_ Boy

    Broccili_ Boy New Member

    Your list seems solid but I'd take out the moonlight for phoebe's
  5. Muscovy Level X

    Muscovy Level X New Member

    It seems your strategy revolves around getting an extra prize from Creselia Lv.X. I'd say more Absol, and throw some Claydol HP and ex in.
    What's Mothim for?
  6. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    Silver Wind PwNage is what Mothim is for, obv. If they leave their Silver Winded Pokemon active, it either gets Moon Skipped for 80 or attacked by Mothim for 110.

    I also don't understand Cloyster d...Dugtrio is probably what you're looking for.
  7. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Nidoprince: Good point, edited.

    mrdaz07: The first attack is setup. Get it going, obviously by t4-t5 there'll be at least one damage counter in play. So when that happens, use Cresselia X's power to move damage counters onto mothim and hit for 70. If silver winded, 110. With just 2 energies, it's enough to KO a Magmortar.

    Brocilli_Boy: I'll think about that. I'm just afraid for the retreat cost of Absol ex.

    Muscovy Level X: My strategy revolves in damage counter switching. That's what mothim's for.

    I took out a Cloyster d for a Dugtrio CG. :smile:
  8. Dragon100

    Dragon100 New Member

    i think this deck isnt a bad choice.its good due to terms of stratergy.
  9. Black Mamba

    Black Mamba New Member

    Silver winding moons skip actually is a pretty cool idea. o_O
  10. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Yeahps. I need fixies/suggestions!
  11. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Updated with mini article!
  12. Gowk

    Gowk New Member

    The article certainly helpful. I like the deck. Nice.

    Help; Well i reall cant think of anything, i would hate to go against this deck for sure. Nice work!
  13. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Thanks, and I posted the article. Updating with Match-ups soon!
  14. merman

    merman New Member

    Wow. This is really creative and could be a strong competitor. I love it.
    Mothim is just jaw dropping! I never realized how much potential it has.
  15. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Yes, thanks to Swift1984, mothim's true potential was discovered.
  16. Magic_Umbreon

    Magic_Umbreon Researching Tower Scientist, Retired

    I'm a huge fan. This is going to get even better with the DP: Majestic Dawn Cresselia. Do you tend to attach grass to the starter Pachirisu, use it to retreat to a Burmy and plant cloak it on?
  17. KaMewie

    KaMewie New Member

    Yes, I tend to do that and it helps with my energy attachment acceleration.

    Match-Ups Posted!
  18. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    hahaha I didn't realize Beedrill (aka RockBand) was something to watch out for in the metagame now...
  19. Ardoptres

    Ardoptres New Member

    since you can't really damage to bench, Mag will just use Scrambles to OHKO Gyarados easily.

    I'd say 70-30
  20. Shino Bug Master

    Shino Bug Master Front Page News Editor

    He, always loved this deck. I think that with your Warp Points, you should only need 1 switch stadium and an extra Lake Boundrary.

    And I can see Blissey being an extremely hard match-up. Maybe consider a Wormadam Sand Cloak, as with LB down and a scramble it OHKOs Blissey. If it says Fight energy cards, ignore this completely.
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