Can Blastoise become the next Empoleon?

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  1. jconti2818

    jconti2818 Member

    I picked up two Blastoise at the SW prerelease so I thought this was fate that I should build a water deck around it. Could Blastoise with the right friends make as good a water deck as Empoleon? Here are the strategies behind this deck:

    1. Mantine’s Pokebody allows all my water Pokemon to retreat for free.
    2. Smeargle allows me to get the Water energies needed to power up my water Pokemon and have a good number of water energies in my hand to take advantage of Blastoise’s Pokepower.
    3. The 3 Windstorm and 2 cyclone energies are because every one t Timewarp seems to have 20 Cessation Crystals in their hand!
    4. Team Galactic Mars is a good combo of a draw card and disruption card.
    5. Suicune’s power is like a Pokemon version of Holon Farmer or Night Maintenance but even better.
    6. Mantyke’s energyless “Call for Friends” lets you get any of the Basic Pokemon out of the deck except for Smeargle.
    7. Scramble Energy can power up Blastoise if you are behind.
    8. Almost everyone is playing special energies making Octillery especially valuable.

    Questions for the Forum:

    1. Any advantage to the a combo of the SW and CG versions of Blastoise (the CG version has the same attack but a different Pokepower)?
    2. Comments on the trainer engine?
    3. Are SW versions of Squirtle and Wartortle the best available in the current format?
    4. Any thoughts about how to combat Electivire decks since almost all of the cards are weak to Lightening Pokemon?


    Pokemon 20

    3 Squirtle (SW)
    3 Wartortle (SW)
    3 Blastoise (SW)
    3 Mantyke (DP)
    2 Mantine (MT)
    2 Remoraid (MT)
    2 Octillery (MT)
    1 Smeargle (SW)
    1 Suicune (SW)

    Trainers 22

    2 Holon Mentor
    3 Celio’s Network
    3 Rare Candy
    2 Warppoint
    2 Mr. Stone’s Project
    2 Team Galactic Mars
    2 Strength Charm
    2 Castaway
    1 Night Maintenance
    3 Windstorm

    Energy 18

    14 Water
    2 Scramble
    2 Cyclone
  2. Jason

    Jason New Member

    use the delta blastoise as a tech to combat vire decks
  3. Master_Whiscash_77

    Master_Whiscash_77 New Member

    you know suicune only works the turn you play it from your hand? also, i don't really think blastoise and empoleon are comparable because they do totally different things
  4. Blassari

    Blassari New Member

    One 'Toise d is MUST! You play mono :water: , so if you face Vire, you are DEAD!
  5. jconti2818

    jconti2818 Member

    1. Appreciate the delta Blastoise suggestion, but wouldn't he be a sitting duck with no metal nor fighting energies in my deck (even though we are using him primarily for his Pokebody).

    2. I do know that Empoleon and Blastoise are vastly different type cards, but my thought is whether with his also excellent attack whether a Blastoise based deck could also be powerful in the current metagame.

    3. Hopefully in a game, I would only need to use Suicune's power once, toward the end of the game (worse case scenario, Suicune as your starter!)

    And Pokegym regulars, comments please about the trainer engine?
  6. nikx1

    nikx1 New Member

    Use SW Blastoise with MT Lumineon; it will be cool seeing the old Raindance again lol
  7. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    I think that as a suporting line it will see play in lots of decks, but as a main attacker it's not that great.

    What makes Empoleon so good is that Prinplup is an amazeing attacker. If you really get down to it, you don't even need the Empoleon for some decks. I don't think that it will be easy make a water deck better that Empoleon.
  8. B_B_C

    B_B_C New Member

  9. o-ren-itachi

    o-ren-itachi New Member

    this might not be that ggreat but maybe use toise with manectric dp2 because it covers weakness an it can combo with toises power and manectrics first attack
  10. jirachi3

    jirachi3 New Member

    New pokegym user here, can anyone tell me... can i have 4 of each gastrodon or just 2

    TODDakaESTEBAN New Member

    i don't think that you are going the right way at this, you want to take advanatge of blastoise' power to power up a good attack, his attack is a waste, one thing i would suggest is to look at LBS from two years ago,

    if anyone made blastoise as useful as empoleon it would be a similar deck to lbs, the concept is that since you can place energies really insanely, instead of wasting on a blastoise' slow attack, you would throw the energies on something that has a better attack or even type coverage, these techs would have high energy costs and attacks that are good but have a downside that makes you think it's bad,

    you would run holon circle to compensate for the end your turn downside of the power, the windstorms you need to protect your powers would then allow you to attack,

    i doubt you need octillerry for any reason since it's attacks are cheap, have nothing to do with blastoise' attacks and don't need blastoise for anything,

    i'm sorry i can't think of anything good, all of the good attackers for that are rotated out, but i think if you look at it from that angle you'll have better luck figuring out what goes good with blastoise
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