Championship Point Cut-Off Speculation

Discussion in 'World Championships' started by smacktack15, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. smacktack15

    smacktack15 New Member

    I have no clue if this is the right place to post this or not but, the title says it all, what is the cut-off for Worlds at 40th place? I am at 41st right now @ 40 CP but, there are multiple players who have not had points uploaded yet (specifically Quebec Provincials), and I am unsure if my previous thoughts of getting Qualified for Worlds @ mid 40s are still correct. Is 50 basically the hump you need to get over to be qualified in NA Masters? Any thoughts on this subject would be great. Thank you.
  2. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    it's all speculation man

    the original guesses ppl threw out early season were waaay off. I think the cutoff will be the low 50s, possibly 55 when all is said and done, as there is still alot of points at nats

    honestly I don't even feel totally safe with my 51 right now due to the (ridiculously stupid) no pass-down announcement, as the nats top 2 from each country will probably nullify 6 spots essentially making it a T34
  3. PhadedPhione

    PhadedPhione New Member

    You can probably tally up how many points you can get from the events left over before Nats and figure out where you will be at the end of these events and pray, I suppose.
  4. sdrawkcab

    sdrawkcab Forum Moderator

    Dont forget there are probably some people who have maxed out the amount points they could earn from BR's already.
  5. Team CREAM

    Team CREAM New Member

    You need ALL the Championship Points!
  6. BlisseyRocks

    BlisseyRocks New Member

    I actually pretty much disagree with this whole post. I speculate around 45 being the cutoff(probably 43-45) simply because there arent enough points to be GAINED at nats, and the people who do get there usually were in the top 40 before they got there. i speculate atleast 5-7 people in the top 16 of u.s nats not getting an invite because they werent in the top 40 before nats. Its also very possible people who dont have many CP's do well and get an invite.
  7. desert eagle

    desert eagle New Member

    People in the mid 40s shouldnt feel safe at all, there is a TON of people in the 30-40 point range who would kick out people in the top 40 simply by having a good day at nats (and remember Canada and Mexico get the huge point boosts too). I wouldn't be surprised if only like 25 people got ratings invites due to the no-pass down rule.

    I really don't understand why there's no pass downs, alot of the top 40 is gonna be people who had pretty bad seasons but had a good day at nats (and who are going to get their nats invite regardless), knocking out players who had been consistent all season but had one bad day at nats

    I mean it probably won't affect me as I'm up there in points but for anyone with 40-45 points your season comes down to one event, which is VERY unfair considering having 40-45 points at this point in the season shows consistency and skill - the two traits that SHOULD be rewarded, not luck.
  8. psychup2034

    psychup2034 New Member

    Keep in mind that it used to be Top 25 with pass downs, so it's pretty similar to Top 40 without pass downs. Whether more people should be allowed to play in worlds is a different story.

    In terms of the number of points required for top 40, we're at 42 CPs for 40th place right now. I expect this number to go up to around 45 by the time Battle Roads are over, and it should be about 50 after Nats are done.
  9. Cyrus

    Cyrus Iron Chef - Master Emeritus

    Relatively speaking, the threshold isn't going to go up much at all after Nats, especially when you factor in how nobody starts getting points until top 64. This may not mean much to Canadians, but for Americans, this is a big deal, since less than 10% of the field will have any significant ranking change at all.

    For the cutoff to actually rise to 50, something extraordinary would have to happen, I agree that the threshold may go up a bit after Battle Roads, but a jump from 45 to 50 just isn't happening.
  10. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    Agreed with Cyrus, people are being blinded by the huge jumps in very little time due to 4 weekends of high threshold tournaments.

    The jump from States to Regionals was I believe 39 - 42, based on 9 big events in USA/Canada/Mexico with high rewards in terms of points. I fail to see how tournaments awarding 2 points will raise the bar to 45, and how 3 events will raise it a whole 8 points when very few people will actually get points, and you can expect people at the top (Pooka/Ness/etc.) to get some as well.

    IMO 45-46 will be the limit.


    i can only hope-
    I've been projecting 47 the entire season and i'll still stand by that, as for Nats i except the points to move 3 points, if that b/c a lot of the players who do well are already "there" and you can also assume that for about half of the people who earn points at Nats(top 64 or better) are "irrelevant" when it comes to determining who will get an invite. Although i will say this for USA players on the bubble- the entire season literally will come down to your top 128 game, which is dumb but that is what will happen.
    let the fun begin :)
  12. psychup2034

    psychup2034 New Member

    I don't understand why it's "dumb" that some people's season will come down to top cut at Nationals. Let's assume that the cutoff is 47 championship points, as you say. The top 24 players right now in North America have 47 or more points, so they have already earned their invite. That's a high number of players who have clinched the invite before nationals. As Battle Roads roll around, I'd expect that about 26-29 players would have "clinched" their invite already.

    In most major sports, clinching the championships (or a playoff spot) comes down to the wire. It happens every year for many sports. For example, in MLB last year, 6 teams' playoff hopes came down to the last 2 games. In other grand prix competitions (like NASCAR), certain racers' seasons also come down to one last race.

    It's not uncommon for a player or team's whole season to come down to one tournament in sports. I don't see why Pokemon needs to be different.


    No I'm saying that it will come down to just top 128 b/c unlike EVERY other tournament they didn't give out kickers down to 1 point, literally you can make top cut at USA Nationals and get 0 points, win your top 128 game and you get 3, there is no logic behind that at all(or the fact that for almost every national you'll get CP if you come in the top 40-50 percent and at USA you need to come in the top 8 or 9 percent) that's what i meant.
  14. Scizor

    Scizor New Member

    This just isn't true. The player in 25th place going into Nationals has never been passed. It is not a high number at all. Each year, the average number of places passed after Nationals is around 12.

    Regarding your other point, there are hundreds of players who have their invite come down to having to T8 Nationals.....
  15. bullados

    bullados <a href="

    New system, new rules.
  16. psychup2034

    psychup2034 New Member

    You're talking ELO. I'm talking Championship Points. We stopped using ELO last year.
  17. the cheating bidoof

    the cheating bidoof New Member

    how much do you thnk the cutoff for seniors will be? I am at 48 and I am going to nats and 6 BRs
  18. King Piplup

    King Piplup New Member

    Thinking 54, but that's just my guess.

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  19. Prof Clay

    Prof Clay New Member

    ELO is still used to break ties in Championship points...thats why we still track it


    For any1 who's interested-
    my guesses @ cutoffs for all divisions in NA
    Jrs.-60(depends mainly on how many BF's they have leftover from Autumn BR's)

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