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HGSS-on Cobalion/Electrode Prime/Kyurem

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Pokémon:

3 Voltorb
2 Electrode
3 Kyurem
2 Cobalion
1 Jirachi
1 Shaymin

Trainers:

4 Junk Arm
4 PONT
3 Eviolite
2 Pokegear
4 Twins
3 Pokemon Catcher
3 Pokemon Collector
2 N
3 Pokemon Communication
1 Super Rod
1 Switch

Energy:

4 Special Metal
4 Rainbow
2 Metal
7 Water
1 DCE

Strategy:

Get Kyurem/Cobalion loaded as fast as possible and start spreading/locking whatever works best against the deck I'm playing. Jirachi de-evolves everything that is evolved and has a lot of HP, Shaymin transfers energy I'm forced to place early with Energymite or needed for a certain situation.

I need some quick feedback, regionals are tomorrow. My bad for posting this so late, but please help me out in whatever way you can. :)
 
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(Whoops! I just posted a CKE deck, guess I was typing it up while you were posting!)
I agree with Pidgeot - Cobalion isn't really needed for spread (which is the focus here). I would recommend a 1-1 DCL if you have it.
You might also want to consider swapping Eviolite for Rocky Helmet. With spread it could be beneficial to manipulate more counters than reducing damage on yourself.

Oh! And remember (I always have to remind myself), while your opponent's eviolite reduces damage, it says nothing about counters. so an equipped enemy dragon can still take damage from Rocky Helmet. :)
 
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First of all I'd like to say that I think you guys misunderstand this deck (which may partly be my fault because of the strategy I put up). It's not a spread deck. Yes, spreading is a big part of it, but it's not all this deck is meant to do. Kyurem will in many cases be the best start, but if you think this is a Kyurem deck you have the wrong angle. This is a Kyurem/Cobalion deck, and Cobalion is very important if you want to win any games.

pidgeot said:
N is not needed.
Maybe you don't need shaymin.
Catcher is fine at 2.
I still don't think Cobalion is needed in a spread deck.
Replace DCE or a Water energy with 1 Psychic energy.
Twins is fine at 3. In my deck, I hardly use twins so maybe 2 can work or just drop it all together.
Maybe 4-3 Electrode because you want to start with Voltorb. If so, leave twins the way it is and up Pokegear to 4.


Thats all I got for you
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Not to be rude or anything - I appreciate all the help I can get - but have you played this deck? N is a card that can turn a lot of games from a certain loss to a win, and my only regret is not playing more than 2. Shaymin may not be a staple in this deck, but it's an awesome card in general and even better with Electrode/Jirachi. Catcher is fine at two but the deck is more awesome with three. I find DCE to be better than Psychic because I really don't have many ways to discard it. I have always had a Rainbow available for Jirachi when I needed it, and in that case DCE gives you the same amount of attachments a turn as a Psychic would, except it's one energy and not two. Twins is perfectly fine at 2-3 yes, but dropping it altogether is foolish. I'll consider dropping it for some other draw supporter/Pokegear though. I can't fit 4-3 Electrode, and 3-2 has worked perfectly fine for me. I could go 3-3, but the space is better used for other cards.

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(Whoops! I just posted a CKE deck, guess I was typing it up while you were posting!)
I agree with Pidgeot - Cobalion isn't really needed for spread (which is the focus here). I would recommend a 1-1 DCL if you have it.
You might also want to consider swapping Eviolite for Rocky Helmet. With spread it could be beneficial to manipulate more counters than reducing damage on yourself.

Oh! And remember (I always have to remind myself), while your opponent's eviolite reduces damage, it says nothing about counters. so an equipped enemy dragon can still take damage from Rocky Helmet. :)
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This isn't a spread deck, it's a CaKE deck that is more potent than yours to compete in the current format. While Cobalion does awesome things, Kyurem is simply a better card to focus the deck on in regard to how the metagame looks today. I might want to swap Eviolite for Rocky Helmet if I want to be OHKOed by Reshiram and Zekrom yes.
 
4 Twins is overkill imo. This Deck doesn't really need many specific cards so straight draw will be better in most cases. I'd just drop them all for 2 Cheren, a 4TH COLLECTOR and an Elm. The latter can come in handy very often, especially since you're running 2 PokeGear.
Did you maybe try some Junipers? I like it more than Pont in this deck (I'd still run at least 1 Pont though), because it provides better draw power, but I guess that's personal preference.
Also, why don't you run any Research Record? This card is just amazing in combination with Trode Prime imo. Maybe take out 1 Communication and 1 Junk Arm/Pont/Catcher/Energy for two of them?
 
Agree on the Research Records. I like 2 Super Rod in this as well.

Cutting things is the problem. It's not easy to lose anything from the deck.

I think you could go to 16 Energy . . . maybe drop a Twins and a PONT.
 
Oh, um, yeah.
You probably want a collector too.
I would do:
-2 Water
-1 Twins
-1 Junk Arm
-1 Pokegear

+3 Research Records
+1 Collector
+1 Cleffa/Supa Rod (I prefer cleffa, but I guess Baby M prefers supa rods)
 
Yeah, I ended up cutting the Cleffa from my list.

I wouldn't cut a Jarm though, for the same reason I run 2 Super Rods. I like to have a bit of a safety net with Energymite.
 
Oh, I'm sorry. My Pidgeot account is just another one I made so I could have the name and I wanted some post under that. I was just posting what I though was not needed. I opted to not put N in my deck because when it came down to it, I was taking 3 or 4 prizes in 1 turn.
 
Here's how I'm running mine currently, still missing 2 Electrode Primes and 2 Kyurem... :(

Pokemon (13)

4 Cobalion NV
3-3 Electrode Prime
2 Kyurem NV
1 Cleffa HS/CoL

Trainers/Supporters (31)

4 Professor Juniper
4 Pokemon Collector
4 N
3 Eviolite
3 Pokemon Catcher
3 Twins
3 Sage's Training
3 Super Rod
2 Research Record
2 Pokegear 3.0

Energies (16)

8 :metal:
4 Special Metal
4 :water:

Deck Total: 60
 
I'm running the deck similar to how I believe Mazu is running it- less focus on spread, but not ignoring it.

I'm trying to work out around where Kyurem spreads damage early, followed by consisted OHKOs from Cobalion/Victini/Outrage/Jirachi a few turns in.

Here's myPokemon line-up:

4 Kyurem (Only because in this meta, you simply can't ignore Outrage)
2 Cobalion
1 Victini (Fire, V-create)
1 Jirachi
3-3 Electrode Prime
1 Shaymin
1 Cleffa
16 total

I included the Victini because in non-aggressive decks, Victini is a consistent 100 damage, no drawback. It helps against the Rogue Durant decks that are trying to make face, the Mewgar decks, and of course the Mirror that prefers Cobalion.

My T/S/S:

4 PONT
2 N
2 Twins
2 Eviolite
4 Junk Arm
2 Switch
3 Pokemon Communication
2 Super Rod
3 Pokemon Collector
2 Pokemon Catcher
2 Research Record
28 total

My Energy:
4 Special Metal
4 Rainbow Energy
1 Basic Metal
7 Basic Water
16 total

The problem I had with the deck, is that so far Electrode has been hitting 2 energy at most and I'm not sure what to cut for more energy, or why. I know the next on the list to go would be Research Record, but in this deck it serves two purposes; getting a more successful Electrode, and fixing the draw. Playing against ZPST, I failed Electrode and the game didn't go anywhere for me; I need more consistency.
 
I like reshi in this deck it helps agaist cobalion and durrant and has outrage

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Heres mine

1 + power
1 switch
2 catcher
2 super rod
2 cheran/N i like cheran better
2 twin
2 research record
2 evoilite
3 communication
4 pont
4 collector its too good not to
4 junk arm

1 metal
1 fire
1 DCE
4 Metal sp
4 rainbow
5 water

1 jirachi
1 shaymin
1 reshiram
2 cobaliom
4 kyurem
3-3 electrode I mighmake 3-2 i have been fluctuating here
 
Did anyone here actually tested Research Records alot?
My list doesn't run it and it runs fine.
I have the same ''2 energy'' problem, but as long as you can take alot prizes with it (Kyurem), it is fine to me. I agree that Research records combo's fine with electrode, but how high are the chances of drawing into it and have electrode prime at the same time?
 
So far my only concern with this deck is it's matchup against TyRam (Reshiphlosion), unless you get a fully loaded Kyurem setup with Electrode pumping it up with energies, Cobalion is going to have trouble surviving against Reshiram unless it has 2-3 Special :metal: with Eviolite attached or If you draw into Kyurem in time via Draw Supporter or Collector. It seems like a 50-50 matchup but unless proven otherwise it's in TyRam's favor.

Alot of times you're going to be using Iron Breaker alot with Cobalion cause it forces your Opponent to use Switch or retreat out of the attack lock, shouldn't be a problem If they have 2 Typhlosion Primes on the bench to Afterburner it out of the Active. Energy Press is good mainly If your Opponent has something out like Magnezone Prime which needs energy to do damage with Lost Burn. If you Iron Breaker Yanmega they'll just retreat for something else.

Kyurem on the other hand is amazing against TyRam If setup correctly, against Mewbox it can 2HKO Mew Prime's for easy prizes. It's only achilles' heel is Cobalion, Scizor Prime, Steelix Prime, maybe a few others. Steelix doesn't see as much play competitively besides getting boosted by Skarmory, and Scizor Prime is easily countered by TyRam cause it doesn't run any Special Energies.
 
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I'll have my really bad list up later today that went 5-0 masters to make top cut. It ran research records. I only had two Water Dragons at the time but I wish I owned a third then. It rreally would have helped. Also wished I had put in Jarachi since I had 60 damage on three rare candy Ty in the finals of a Tyram matchup.
 
Yeah I'm still debating on Jirachi for Time Hollow in CaKE. If you do decide to run it, take 4 :metal: out for 4 Rainbow Energies. That way you can attach Rainbow energies on Jirachi after you Energymite with Electrode Prime, Glaciate for 2 turns with Kyurem, and then Time Hollow with Jirachi for instant prizes. I already have 2 Kyurem in my CaKE deck, I'll try to get a 3rd Kyurem to run over 1 Cobalion.

Only problem I see here is what If they Catcher your Jirachi and take it out before you have a chance to Time Hollow to net prizes after you Glaciated with Kyurem for 2 turns? Eviolite might save Jirachi but even still you see where I'm getting at right? It's a funny and mean combo but it will take a few turns to get it going and by then they might have already KO'ed your Main and Secondary attackers in this deck being Cobalion and Kyurem, plus they're not hard to get back out.
 
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I run 4 Kyurem ( Starting to playtest 3 to fit in research records) and Jirachi.
And i won all my reshiplosion games so far. (3 of them)
@Poke Trainer J, Super rod + Communication/Collector/Whatever is your only hope.
 
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Btw, I went 3-2 with CaKE at Cities, managed to beat at least 1 TyRam deck while having a close game in another. Here's the list I currently ran:

Pokemon (15)

4 Cobalion NV
3-3 Electrode Prime
3 Kyurem NV
2 Cleffa HS/CoL

Trainers/Supporters (29)

4 Pokemon Collector
4 Pokemon Catcher
3 Pokemon Communication
3 Twins
3 Eviolite
3 Super Rod
3 Research Record
3 Junk Arm
3 N

Energies (16)

4 :water:
4 :metal:
4 Special Metal
4 Rainbow

Deck Total: 60
 
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i run 1 terrakion and 1 fighting for magnezone because you have no real other way of taking it down very fast. i think you should run (2-4) juniper it can be very helpful. jirachi hasn't helped me yet and you only need 3 kyurem and 2-3 twins. hope i helped
 
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