Darkrai EX
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luxray master2
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wow 40$ is way to much just for a darkrai ex thats ridiculous
badganondorf
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The good thing about Darkrai EX hype is that I don't have to blame myself for the Mewtwo EX hype anymore. If Mewtwo EX could be OHKOed by Terrakion, would it be a 50$+card? No. Darkrai EX is a tech card at its best and a card that fits in every deck but you need only one copy of it for each deck, should be as expensive as Zekrom EX.
Must be pretty fun to be a Troll&Toad owner/seller, when you can just increase the price of the card and increase the hype at the same time. Win-win. However, I think it's sad that one card website solely decides the price of the cards. I thought we lived in market economy without monopolies but I guess I was wrong. Test the card, and see for yourself if it's 40$ card. Ah, but I forgot, T&T must have done the testing for you in advance so you don't have to bother testing...
Must be pretty fun to be a Troll&Toad owner/seller, when you can just increase the price of the card and increase the hype at the same time. Win-win. However, I think it's sad that one card website solely decides the price of the cards. I thought we lived in market economy without monopolies but I guess I was wrong. Test the card, and see for yourself if it's 40$ card. Ah, but I forgot, T&T must have done the testing for you in advance so you don't have to bother testing...
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Poke Trainer J
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Well Darkrai EX is one of the most overused EX's from Dark Rush in Japan aside from Tornadus EX which is amazing as a wall against Fighting decks or Terrakion Swarm assaults. Those 2 are going to be the chase EX's for Dark Explorers, Raikou EX possibly being the 3rd EX Chase Rare.
The only reason its up that high at all is because T&T puts out 1-4 at 15 bucks. Then when those sell out they up it by another 5.... and so on and so forth. The last time I checked it was at 25 with 6 available. They are doing the same thing with blister packs and with ND they upped the booster box price once the pre order amount sold out as well. Its underhanded but its apparently making people impulse buy before the price hikes even higher hoping to get it cheaper or resell them for the top dollar amount it settles on. I personally see Darkrai dropping quite a bit after release since its not nearly as splashable as Mewtwo and requires some set up or circumstance to use other then drop and attach-attach-attach- sweep.
Charranitar
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This is hilarious how people call what Troll and Toad is doing as underhanded. They put out a set of about 20-25 at a given price, starting Darkrai at $9.99. After each set sells out, they raise the price by $5, and see if people will buy at that price. Rinse and repeat...this is just known as letting the market set the value for something. The reason Darkrai EX is $50 on Troll and Toad right now, is because that's what the markets dictating.
I don't really see Darkrai dropping much, and actually expect it to go up quite a bit more in price, especially considering this will be the format for nationals. Darkrai will be the best card in the format, and if people don't think so, I think they'll be in a big shock come the first weekend of battle roads when they see some of the decks people have come up with using Darkrai.
OK, maybe its not underhanded- but it is a very screwed up way to determine a cards worth- especially when its a presell and other websites determine their prices off of T&T. Also, they do not do 20-25. The 9.99 had 1. 14.99 had 2-5.. so on and so forth. They increase the amount with the price. And its not letting the "market set the price". Otherwise the pre orders for Zek EX would have shot it up just as high as Mewtwo. They clearly jacked up Mewtwo more by limiting the supply for each price- like Darkrai. And did so because of the hype and popularity in Japan. No card should ever cost 70$ out of a fresh set- especially when you can get a truly RARE and limited card like beach for only a bit more.
Aww, so it's this kind of hype that is blowing the price up.
Boy are you all going to be disappointed.
Ehm
Uxie
Catcher
Collector
bebe´s Search
BTS
Sableye
Junk Arm
Crobat G
Mewtwo EX
PONT
Juniper
DCE
etcetc
you are right. all those cards are way inferior to Darkrai ex because these cards didnt have any impact on the game ,almost all of these cant be played in every deck and almost all of these arent 50$+ dollar cards
yankeezone13
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I honestly don't see it being played in anything other than dark decks. The fact that there is no energy acceleration for Darkness energy for non-dark Pokemon is what bothers me about it. If Dark Patch worked for all Pokemon, only then could I see it being worth it.
Otaku
Active Member
Sorry, no dice. :lol:
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Why resist that pun?
Getting serious, it is a very logical and ethical way to determine price for a product like a TCG card. You can't just use rarity, since a card may be junk to players. You can't use how good a card is to play, because it may be incredibly common and easy to get, or unappealing to all but completionists; such is a Trading Card Game.
No one's life is on the line here and Troll and Toad doesn't print the cards. It lists a pre-order price and people can choose whether or not they consider the card "worth it". When that pre-order sells out, it puts a slightly more expensive pre-order out to reflect supply and demand. If people don't think the card is going to be worth it, they won't buy it (barring mental illness or mistakes). :lol:
Troll and Toad is meeting a demand and taking a risk. That's what entitles it to a profit. What if Troll and Toad underestimates the impact a card has? Prices sky-rocket even higher than their pre-orders indicated? Troll and Toad will have to take a loss or cancel pre-orders, and both are big problems for a company. To meet pre-orders requires more product be bought and opened for the store, and hopefully pulling enough of the card in question, or finding enough sellers who sells below what Troll and Toad charges.
Instead of complaining, we should be thanking them and shrewdly taking this into account ourselves. :thumb: If this Darkrai EX is overhyped, just don't waste money on buying any; big deal a deck one might like to play but that isn't a "must run" isn't an option until prices deflate. What if Darkrai EX isn't overhyped? Aren't you glad you knew it was worth at least what Troll and Toad were charging so you don't get ripped after a Pre-Release?
I keep remembering how in the US the general consensus was that Team Aqua Vs. Team Magma cards weren't that good and the decks you made with them weren't a big deal... and the Japanese happily traded "us" (not that I was there) for them at Worlds. Guess what deck the Japanese used to win Worlds? Granted it wasn't all bad for players who weren't attending: suddenly a bunch of cards many low level players had in abundance were worth something and we had new toys (decks) to play with.
If you wanna be mad about scarcity, blame the manufacturers (and possibly distributors if the supply is high enough but it just isn't available in your area). I've long rallied against expanding the rarity scheme in this manner. I know we need stuff to keep collecting exciting, and it is pretty great having a single lucky pull from a Pre-Release pay for your entire entry fee. That's a whole other debate, though... one perhaps NoDice or I should start in another thread?
tl;dr: Troll and Toad are taking a risk to meet their customers' demand; it is completely legit and quite sensible how they do it, now that it has been explained; if you think prices are skyrocketing needlessly, blame the supplier (Nintendo/TPC/etc.) for the rarity of the cards, foolish players who are spending money without thinking, or speculators trying to turn a buck themselves. Given the average player's position, it's the people who throw away money that are the problem. :nonono:
Ehm
Uxie
Catcher
Collector
bebe´s Search
BTS
Sableye
Junk Arm
Crobat G
Mewtwo EX
PONT
Juniper
DCE
etcetc
you are right. all those cards are way inferior to Darkrai ex because these cards didnt have any impact on the game ,almost all of these cant be played in every deck and almost all of these arent 50$+ dollar cards
darkrai ex > your entire list of cards
raw19
Active Member
But, would you care to explain why? A lot of us here in the cheap seats are a little in the dark.
I, myself, think it'll be a cool card. it has a decent attack, very nice hp, and dark decks around will love it's ability. Terrakion does annoy it, but a lot of cards annoy a lot of others and i refuse to not play a card i like just because of that fact.
Don't get me wrong, guys, Darkrai EX is good, but rambo hypes it up WAY too much. If it wasn't weak to fighting, then MAYBE it deserves it. If we had dark accel on non-dark pokemon, then MAYBE it deserves it. As it is? It's too easily countered and has to be relegated to Dark decks. It's strong, but being easily counterable hurts it greatly.
Otaku
Active Member
Hmm... you know, I almost wonder if people are going to try to use a combination of Dark Patch and Energy Switch so that, when coupled with Darkrai EX they have a free Retreat Cost and Energy acceleration that can both work on non-Darkness-Type Pokemon.
Well, perhaps Shaymin instead (with the idea of spamming Dark Patch to make the combo more worthwhile).
Well, perhaps Shaymin instead (with the idea of spamming Dark Patch to make the combo more worthwhile).
Barkjon
Active Member
Your statement is bull.
Uxie: Dude, the best drawpower seen in a basic Pokemon in a long time. Insanely good. Splashable.
Catcher: Basically, none of your bench is safe and cheap prizes are so easy to get.
Collector: About as splashable as possible, boosts your consistency SO MUCH. Our format would suck without it.
Bebe's: Basically gives you any Poke from your deck you want. So good.
BTS: Singlehandly made a number of decks viable, changes the rules of the game.
Sableye: Basically can be splashed into any deck, changed game rules by allowing 2nd Support. So good at donking
Junk Arm: Depends on format a bit more, but allows you to reuse Catchers/RC/Switch/Comm/Dual Ball/a lot more.
Crobat G: Also more format-dependent, but basically an extra damage counter anywhere is incredible. Turns made this so goooood.
Mewtwo EX: Can completely destroy decks that can't counter it, hard to OHKO, counters itself, can donk easily, unlimited damage output.
PONT: Refreshing your hand to the relatively large amount of 6 is so good.
Juniper: Discarding isn't the best (depends on deck, of course) but speeds up decks so much.
DCE: Two energy for one. No downsides. Singlehandedly makes large amounts of cards viable.
Darkrai EX is a barely splashable card that has a situational Ability and is incredibly easily countered by an already popular cards. On top of this all, it gives up 2 prizes.
Darkai EX is better than none of these. I concede that Darkrai helps some decks and will undoubtedly see play.
Rambo, I'd recommend stop being so biased and acknowledge that it isn't the next Mewtwo.
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tl;dr
if you take the time it took you to write all of that, and applied it to studying darkrai ex, you will see why you're wrong.
yankeezone13
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Obvious troll is obvious