Dusknoir at Nationals

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by swanton1717, Jun 18, 2008.

  1. swanton1717

    swanton1717 New Member

    With Nationals being so huge, its difficult to look around and see who will playing Dusknoir. So I'm just curious, will anyone play down 4/5 basics in a game? And under what circumstances will you lay down more than 3 basics??

    ~Colin
     
  2. If Empoleon wants to attack for heavy damage than it has to lay down 4/5 bench. Could try the fossil trick and discard them when Dusknoir takes the stage.
     
  3. SLOW DECK

    SLOW DECK New Member

    Well, against Garny Gallade or Stage 2 decks, I won't feel comfortable laying down until I know that they don't run Dusknoir. The realistic thing if I see a Garny Gallade, with 1-0-1 Empoleon, with two other techs, I might believe that they don't have the room to fit in a Dusknoir. Against a Stage 1 deck, it would be hard to imagine Dusknoir in it.

    Dusknoir "check" is always the first thing a player will do.

    Dusknoir in Top 32, you can assume any Dusknoir in your deck is public knowledge. Dusknoir can surprize during Swiss, but never during Tops, too much scouting.
     
  4. empoleonperson

    empoleonperson Active Member

    Dont forget Craudent ex in a stage one deck it may not be as powerful but it stills gets the job done with a well timed wager.
     
  5. Yoshi-

    Yoshi- New Member

    Dusknoir will take the stage exactly when you lay down the fossils, that probably won't work :wink:
     
  6. Rew

    Rew Active Member

    dusknoir happens on a random turn, on your opponent's side of the field =P
     
  7. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Most decks dont need a lot of bench to work anyway....
     
  8. Empoleon MD does and you will see them at Nationals.
     
  9. Darkwalker

    Darkwalker New Member

    Generally, I go into every game assuming Dusknoir is in the opposing deck. Depending on what the deck is I can usually guess if it's in there or not. I'll try and avoid playing a 4th pokemon on the bench unless I have powers locked down beyond a doubt, or I know that I will lose a pokemon before Dusknoir can take effect. Finally, the last point I will feel comfortable in filling my bench is when the 4th Rare Candy is played by my opponent.
     
  10. mca3

    mca3 New Member

    Great point on that, and yes, Crawduant EX is a Awesome tech in a Stage 1 deck!!!
     
  11. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    The only time I can really see someone laying down more than 3 bench pokemon is if they're PLOXing.
     
  12. bench is needed for its attack to work the max.
     
  13. Dual_Draw

    Dual_Draw New Member

    You lay down your Duskull, and they start Dual Surfing it, if you Rare Candy or evolve they will Omastar.
     
  14. Scizor

    Scizor New Member

    Dusknoir hurting Empoleon is a huge misconception. You literally use Surf Together MAYBE 2-3 times a game. Sure, it hurts you if you walk into it, but you shouldn't. Dusknoir is good and certainly is disruptive, but it shouldn't LOSE anyone the game if they don't play into it.
     
  15. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    uhhh . . .save desperate circumstances, nobody plays down a Duskull unless they can get Rare Candy + Dusknoir immediately.
     
  16. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    My main man Scizor is right.
    Very right indeed.
    Just be wary of the ever looming Dusknoir threat.
     
  17. funny how my empoleon deck never uses surf together, and it still wins lol
    dual splash is pro

    so dusknoir wont hurt people that much if empoleon players know how to play it out
     
  18. Water Pokemon Master

    Water Pokemon Master <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    There is one card that completely shuts down Empoleon, and I hope I don't run into it at Nats. :(

    Dusknoir is still a big threat. I think you can work around it, though.
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2008
  19. Diaz

    Diaz New Member

    False? There's no single tech that takes out empoleon altogether.
     
  20. TheDarkTwins

    TheDarkTwins Active Member

    I'd have to agree with this statement. I really feel Dusknoir is overrated. It is easily counter by just playing smart. If you play smart your fine, if you don't, then you deserved to have problems with it.

    Drew
     

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