ECO the new meta-game! (empoleon, GO GREEN)

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  1. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Hey guys, this is a deck I've been thinking about for next season, I have it built and I was going to keep it secret, but I figured a lot of people are gonna end up using it anyway... Im not going to write a big whole article about it because I don't have 30 minutes to an hour to do so.. So heres my current list its done GREAT so far.. Take a look the deck name is ECO!! Empleon Claydol Omastar= ECO

    This isn't my exact list, so results might vary.. Keeping the actual list secret till nats.


    Pokemon: 21

    4-3-3-1 Empoleon MD/Empoleon DP
    3 Pachirisu GE
    1 Phione MD (start with pachi, CFF then retreat for phione. May switch to Tauros if I have problem with Crystal beach)
    2-2 Claydol GE
    1-0-1 Omastar MD (Amazing tech in this deck. It got me triple knock-outs against gg..)
    Trainers: 23

    4 Rare candy
    4 Plus Power
    3 Celios network
    2 Roseanne's Research
    1 Mentor (awesome tech in this format, load your bench up with pokemon early if you don't start with pachi, also good late game for a big hit with empoleon.)
    2 Steven's advice
    2 TGW
    2 Night maintenance
    2 Warp point
    1 TSD

    Energy: 16

    2 Double rainbow (you really don't need more than 2 because you want to spread with empoleon when you get 2 energy attached.. Then you attach energy to use his second attack.)
    2 Scramble (Great recovery card, might increase to 3.)
    2 Holon wp (stops bring down, sonic blade, and other dangerous affects of attacks.)
    10 Water


    Strategy: The strategy is simple, start with pachi get your bench loaded up, try to get t2-t3 empoleon up and running and start spreading dmg, 30 a peace to 2 of your opponents benched pokemon, weakining upcoming threats or getting multiple knock outs early game.. Load up your bench and start one hitting stuff after you spread dmg.. The duskinoir is good if there loading something up on the bench.. It also fills another bench spot.


    So theres the list, comments and suggestions are always welcome!
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2008
  2. mca3

    mca3 New Member

    COOL deck!!!
    I LOVE the concept, please check my deck out!!!
     
  3. Dual_Draw

    Dual_Draw New Member

    -1 Candy
    +1Celio's

    You don't need 4 candy
     
  4. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    I'd definatley give Omastar a thought. Since Empoleon and its line are so great at spreading damage and sniping, a late-game Omastar could potentially KO several Pokemon at once.
     
  5. ugly psyducky

    ugly psyducky <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Omastar will work well with this deck, although I suggest you look at upping your Warp Points and playing Empoleon Lvl X. Although spreading and devolving is one strategy, using the Level X gives you the ability to Warp a powerful active to the bench, devolve and then hit it for 80.

    As a separate note, if you want Pachi / Tauros as a starter than back off on the Piplup from 4 to 3, you'll maximize the chance of getting the starter you want.

    Hope this helps.
     
    Last edited: May 6, 2008
  6. Viva piñata

    Viva piñata Active Member

    nice just amazing looks really good but up is right omastar would be good and woudnt touros + 3 pachi be to much considering the phione but i would do 2 pachi 1 touros and phione.
     
  7. Ra2xse

    Ra2xse New Member

    Use Ampharos SW, Amaizing TeCH for Spearding decks
     
  8. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Hey guys, Thanks for all the comments!

    Po-Po-Pacchama, I like having 4 rare candy's incase I don't get a phione.. And getting your empoleon out turn 2 is one of the main things you want to do with this deck. Although I do see reason to add in a 4th celios, is there a different spot to take out to make room?

    regis_neo, I do like the concept behind omastar, so I'll try using that for now instead of duskinoir.

    ugly psyduck, I think 2 warp points is fine for me.. You don't want to keep drawing into them because they become a dead draw early game.. There basicly used for omastar or duskinoir, or when you need to retreat a empoleon. I do like the level x, but its attack is a plus and a draw back.. You have to wait to attack unless you warp point, and it gets rid of space for the main hitter empoleon MD. And I'm going to need 4 piplup if i play 4 empoleon.

    dustinmoe, thanks for the comment. I could do that but that makes things really weird lol.. I was thinking 3 pachi and 1 tauros.

    ra2xse, I know ampharos is amazing for spreading dmg, But I don't think so for this particular deck. I think with 21 pokemon thats already enough, and it might create space issues.


    More comments always welcome!
     
  9. jconti2818

    jconti2818 Member

    Any thought to trading your TSD for a Suicune--unless you start with Suicune (which stinks), Suicune is a guaranteed TSD to get your Empoleon line back (without a coin flip!) and gives you an extra basic in case you need it for your Empoleon bench.

    Fellow Empoleon fan
    jconti2818
     
  10. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Although tsd might be risky, its still a trainer and it looks cool :smile: and suicine could be bad if you start with it, and could be a dead draw.
     
  11. AnimeDDR110

    AnimeDDR110 New Member

    Actually I think ra2xse is right. Its great fior spreading damage and it will be a surprise in mirror matches.
     
  12. Ra2xse

    Ra2xse New Member

    Take out Duksknoir....
     
  13. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Hey guys, since empoleon actually came out today.. I wanted to see what people thought about this.. This isn't my actual list but my real list is 5-0 against gg, and beat a random spread deck 2-0 with electivire.. But Just wanted to see what people thought about this list.. I've had this list even before the set came out..
     
  14. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    Ya this deck is just beastly...it hits the format in the no-no square. I'm guessing you will have a fairly strong RockBand and Skittles matchup, but Tops, Blissey (if it experiences a revival), possibly Eevees and Garchomp could be pretty bad. Time will tell.
     
  15. The Machampion

    The Machampion New Member

    Yeah I Think Ill Play This For Nats, Im Just Wondering, Why The DRE

    I Mean Its Highly Unrecomendable Since The turn 2 - 30 is good and u wont really be using surf together

    Luke
     
  16. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Dre is somewhat nessacary.. Its help me win games against electivre and shiftry.. Dre can be used on claydol to cover some weaknesses.. and if your in need of a surf together.. it helps a lot.. And I only run 2 so its not over doing it.
     
  17. The Machampion

    The Machampion New Member

    True, I Didnt Realise It Takes The 10 Of Surf Together In That Case There More Than Nescasery
     
  18. XYZ_Sniper

    XYZ_Sniper New Member

    it doesnt take 10 off the bench hitting for surf together! u guys are crazy lol

    i dont see the point of 4 pluspower when you bench hit most of the time
    just for fun try a couple physic :lol:

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    and i dont see it as THE metagame deck but a possible contender
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2008
  19. garchompx12

    garchompx12 New Member

    this deck works alot better with aerodactyl as well. also play holon fossils
     
  20. Brawler

    Brawler <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    ^ Aerodactyl and Empo is MY combo.
    PrimalWAVE (My version) might give you some ideas.
     
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