Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by ~`Flygon`~, Nov 5, 2007.

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  1. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    OK this deck I was talking about before the end of te last season and I finshed the best list for it that got me 3rd at Franklin,GA BR and 1st at Douglasville,GA BR ok here is the list.

    3-3-3-1 Electivire DP1/Electivire SW(just added)
    3-1-2-1 Flygon d/Flygon Ex d
    1 Rayquaza d Ex
    4 Holon Castform
    1-1- Magneton PK

    3 Holon Mentor
    1 Scott
    1 Castaway
    2 Charms
    3 Windstorm
    2 Switch
    2 Warp Point
    2 Bebes Search
    2 Night Maintenence
    3 Raree Candy
    1 Mr Stones Project
    1 Copycat

    4 Delta Rainbow
    2 Scramble
    7 Lightning

    Stradegy: Castform start is the best start. You draw into EVERYTHING. Mentor to setup Buzz's to draw extra. Flygon d to accel NRG and Flygon d ex tec for Lucario decks. With buzz and castform start,you should have 20 cards by turn 3-4 and should have everything to do 120 a turn. Magenton to bring NRG back from the grave and SW Vire to put NRG on it to move also.

    The Matchups against these decks arent bad.


    Both castform starts,but their eggs with Barrier can really mess you up. Let them kill your castform,then use scramble for Vire DP1 then just keep setting up Vires on the bench,Flygon d ex can be two hitted also so he isnt much of a threat. Flygon d can be a problem tho,he is resistant,a teched crystal shard helps.You will setup faster also,but dont misplay.

    Blissey varients: 60-40

    Bliseey hs 130,so you gotta charms present or early game some how do thunder spear on a chansey. They draw,but u you can setup faster so setup really quick and destroy chanseys before their powered up.

    Lucario/Rampardos: 40-60

    Yourweak and Cess can mess you up. Riolu can OHKO castform,but Flygon d ex can run through their deck if you get him early. Other than that,just hope they have fossil starts.

    Kricturne: 70-30

    I thought it would be in Kricturnes favor,but if you setup Flygon d ex or have vire already going by T3,its over,Cess can slow you down if nothing is setup and 80 a turn can really mess you up,so get vire going by T3 or Flygon d ex out.

    Empoleon: 70-30

    Their weak and your one shotting everything anyway,Cess can you slow you down but if your setup it wont matter its game.

    MegaGatr: 70-30

    Theyr like to drag off and such which is fine,you only need vire most of the time and he will run through Gatr and still do great damage on Mega. Also the teched Ray is great against the deck.

    Mario: 40-60

    Your worse matchup cause of the weakness and the T2 donking. If you get setup just knockout the threats. Mahcamp with revenge can hurt,charm to one shot with warps. Lucario is gonna do early damage,so Flygon d ex is a beast and will win the game if you get him out early.Flygon d helps since ure resisntant but dosnt help much cause of Fient and Brick Smash Only reason I gave it 40-60 is cause of the flygon d ex tech. 30-70 if not.

    Mirror Match: 50-50

    If they have LVX out early,it can get ugly,but if not,then whoever setsup faster.

    any fixes let me know or help me with matchups.Thanx
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2007
  2. Ardoptres

    Ardoptres New Member

    I've found Kriketune in my favor for some reason, with my Electigon.
    I beat it 8/10 games.. (?)
  3. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    Yea I beat it most of the time,Ima change it to 70/30
  4. Careful of the Huricane I can't seem to beat it.
  5. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    it is an ok build but, I am trying 2 SW Electivire and 2 Electivire DP1 because in my area I rarely have to use Electivire X but, it is the best way to play Electivire right now, well, "E.2"
    "E.2" coming to a city near you!!!!!

    Hurricane is about a 70-30 in favor for Electivire. Only real way they will beat you is of they get a god hand and you get nothing. I have playtested about 10-15 games against this deck and, it is sort of an easy match. I hjave lost once to it I htink because they got a god hand and energy galour!!!!!!!
    Hurrican is a good deck though(depending on the build, if you use Delcatty....well.....then NVM)
  6. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

    LOL, good one. haha you almost had me there.
    But seriously it isnt.
  7. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

  8. God hand is when I go second with a castform starter and a Holon mentor . LOve when I draw into a scramble.
  9. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    Yea with this deck Ive gottaen god hands in the finals of the Battle Roads I played in.Only deck I lost to is Garchomp and Blissey,only reason I lost is cause of I discarded scramble for electivire both times.
  10. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    No, it's around 60/40 in Hurricanes favor. Your set up is slow enough that it's easy to get a stable setup going for Hurricane, and FYI NOTHING can beat Hurricane if it gets going.

    And if you don't use Delcatty what DO you use??:confused:

    Delcatty is badly needed for geting nrg out of the deck.

    Oh, and now with Stantler, Hurricane can mess up Castform starts really badly. 20 + confusion, you flip tails and by by castform. *ya* easy prizes FTW!!!
  11. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    lol, I really want you to knock out my Castform....It is the best thing to do considering that I run scramble and can t-2 Electivire and ko your Feraligator.....

    And Hurricane doesn't need Delcatty's at all, I have seen my friends list in action and it is brutally fast and VERY hard to beat, he doesn't use Delcatty. Running the right trainer line is the key for this deck and not many on the gym have he trainer line right at all.

    But, it is all good. I don't have to wirry about Hurrican at all, so it is all good for me!!!
  12. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    How is the setup slow, your drawing from buzzes and castform. Who cares about stantler, I get 15-20 cards in my hand by T3-4 which I know by then I have enough to setup for KOs.

    If hurricane gets going,fine,but electivire will kill most of the stuff before that happens.
  13. L00p_H01eS

    L00p_H01eS New Member

    ROFL electivire cant beat hurricane that easily. u prolly went against some1 who had a bad list

    good list gets the whole hurricane going by 3 or 4 which u just said u will be getting 20 cards by.

    and vegeta what are u talking about? if he knocks ur castform out then u bring the t2 electivire then

    u would only have 1 scramble attached to ur vire cuz u would be attaching 1 energy on ur castform for turn 1
  14. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    lol, you need to see how I setup my deck kid. By turn 3 I will always get Flygon setup and Electivire if I want to, it is quite easy to beat Hurricane. My friends list is much better than the rubish on the gym. Gym lists are usually never good. The best lists are the ones that no one posts. Also, umm, have u ever heard of Electivire SW? With just 1 scramble I have the chance to do 180 damage to the Gator. Trust me dude the matchup for Hurrican is totally in Electivire's favor. Only deck I am having trouble against is Speed Blissey. Also the new version of ELectivire, well "E.2" Which will be coming to cities is around 80-20 in favor of the deck which does run electivire. Playtested already:thumb:
  15. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Yes, and funny thing how Stantler can search out a copycat, and let ME get that many cards in MY hand. Thank you very much for makeing seting up Oh so much easier.

    How fast does your deck set up? If it's by t3 Hurricane can match that.

    Vegeta ss4, I also think that Hurricane could posibly be better with out the Delcattys, if you have the right trainer line. In fact I am working on a form of speed Hurricane.

    You really shouldn't call other decks "rubish". Yes while it is true that most of the lists arn't great, some times someone does post a good list. And if your friends list is so good maby you could tell us at least partly how it works. I seriously doubt it's as great as you say.

    If I can get a tipical set up with my Hurricane( 1Gatr active 1benched, 2cattys, 2 tons) which is fairly easy to do, NOTHING can beat it. I don't know if a spead Hurricane could ever be as consistant, and would die to TGW, which do almost nothing to the cattyton varient.

    I still say that the matchup is 60/40 in Hurricanes favor if the lists are epqually good.
  16. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    i couldnt say the list on the gym is rubish,wont ever say it cause Ive tested against it,its not bad and when it gets setup,its hard to beat. NOTHING stopping it is a over statement.

    You getting the setup is the same as mine,fairly easy and happens all the time. I think basicially,its who plays the deck and how they play it.Also I gotta see a so called "good" hurricane list to match the point,thats all Im asking.
  17. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    No trust me, nothing can mess it up once it gets going. I was board and testing a deck against my Hurricane list, and decided to take my time with my set up. I was using a disruptor deck, stuppidly thinking that it shoudnt be hard to stop Hurricane with all my nasty cc and such.

    To put it plainly, even with me takeing a few early prizes on chingling and a gatr, he CREAMED me. Every time I played a TGW he just bounced back with catty, if I attached a cc he wind stormed it. If i tried to lock the cc by playing it and then TGW, he just used Breaking tail to KO me. And the Gatrs NEVER STOP COMMING. It was really scarry how badly he beat me and how I couldnt do ANY thing to stop him.
  18. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    well I gotta play different list,cause Ive mostly played against the list on the gym. If anything I would give the matchup 50/50 cause its who setups better or quicker.
  19. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Um, no. You don't. The Japanese card uses the counter for physical "Cards", not the rather intangible "Energy" that you might think. Thus, you'll only do 80 damage if your only energy is a scramble.

    ...Sorry to ruin your day for you. :/
  20. tc19930815

    tc19930815 New Member

    u will probably need more magneton and beware of Shiftry ex (CG) and for mario, beware its Riolu, it can ohko your castform at early game
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