Empoleon / Gardevoir - G&G and Magmortar counter

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by Flygon999, Mar 25, 2008.

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  1. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    Okay, I thought of this deck because someone wanted to know if Empoleon was good and I thought, "hmm..... it will beat mag, but not G&G". So then, I decided "Gardevoir"!!! It'll help you set up fast, it's a Psychic pokemon, and Bring Down helps if you spread damage with Empoleon.

    POKEMON:22

    x4 Piplup
    x3 Prinplup
    x3 Empoleon
    x1 Empoleon Lv.X
    x3/1 Ralts SW/DF
    x2 Kirlia
    x2 Gardevoir SW
    x2 Gardevoir Lv.X
    x1 Gardevior ex

    TRAINERS:22

    x4 Rare Candy
    x4 Celio's Network
    x1 Castaway
    x2 Stregth Charm
    x2 Lake Boundry
    x1 Scott
    x3 Professor Oak's Visit
    x2 Night Maintenence
    x3 Roseanne's Research

    ENERGYS:16

    x3 Scramble
    x3 DRE
    x4 :water:
    x3 :psychic:
    x3 Multi

    AGAINST ALL DECKS STRATEGY: Start with Empoleon and spread damage.

    AGAINST G&G STRATEGY: Use Gardevoir's Psychic Lock + Stregth Charm + Lake Boundry.

    AGAINST MAGMORTAR: Use Empoleon's Aqua Jet + Lake Boundry.

    AGAINST OTHER DECKS: Use Gardevoir's Bring Down after spreading damage with Empoleon.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2008
  2. Kimppa

    Kimppa New Member

    Try With 1 Empoleon Lv.X ..
     
  3. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Nice list, I would take out a scramble for a DRE, then take out a roseannes for another POV. overall good list!
     
  4. DarkraiGod

    DarkraiGod New Member

    i run a very similar deck but with a 2-1-2 empoleon line but i have claydol and corsola in instead.
     
  5. kristi

    kristi New Member

    Great deck... I just think that you should add a DRE and a Gallade b/c you can ALWAYS use DREs and galade and empoleon just combo SSSSOOOO well together.

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    Oh yeah, a 1-1 or 2-2 Cress X or Palkia X would work real well in here, and you may want to add some warp points and WPs.
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2008
  6. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    I like to keep the Scramble in but I changed POV to Roseanne's and Empo to Empo X.
     
  7. PokePockets

    PokePockets New Member

    This list is awesome. The two really pair together. Like i said, maybe a Gardy ex tech, and throwing in some Multi Energy if you can. I also think a 2nd Gallade would get the deck going also. IDK, nice list though
     
  8. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    Okay, I put Gardevoir ex in.
     
  9. PokePockets

    PokePockets New Member

    nice. I like this list alot. Power Stops with the Gardy ex, Spread with the Empoleon, and clean up with Gardy Lv.X. Now only if i could get this built for Regionals =P I dunno if i like 3 Scramble However, too much relying on comebacks. IDK, nice list though
     
  10. JasonTran

    JasonTran New Member

    You going to have a hard time seting up since you are trying to set up 2 stage 2'. Emp Lv.X is not that great so it not needed.
     
  11. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    This deck is not slow because:
    1. I could use Prinplup instead of the stage 2.
    2. Gardi has Telepass to use their supporters.
    3. uhhhh......... idk what else..........
     
  12. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    I hope ure using Prinpulp in the first few turns since ure gonna have to spread damage early and often as possible to setup future Kos and to trade off prizes, and tech in a Gallade,its gonna have to sonic blade against Emp decks and other decks.
     
  13. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    I think that the problem with this deck is that Empoleon is weak to lightning which is Pachirisu. I came up with the idea of .....

    4-4 Weavile
    4-2-3 Gallade
    2-2 Gardevoir/Lv.X
    1 Mew * (star)
    1 Mew SW

    I decided to use a water pokemon that's not weak to lightning, and Weavile can collect dark energys, lower your opponent's hand, and it's a water pokemon, that way, Mag gets really scared. Weavile can also help kill off those pesky Bannettes.
     
  14. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    but Banette matchup is stillin Banettes favor tho since it will outspeed u and your setup.
     
  15. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    I gave up on this deck because Water starters just don't seem to do good agaist Pachirisu.
     
  16. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    You might consider a 3-3-2-2 Empo Lv X line. You can always Snipe for 70-80 then Teleportation and Bring Down, then Teleportation EMpo back out and Snipe Wash and Repeat!
    Don't forget to Supreme Command when you can!

    Here is an idea on the Pokemon:

    POKEMON:23

    x3 Pachirisu
    x3 Piplup
    x3 Prinplup
    x3 Empoleon
    x1 Empoleon Lv.X
    x3 Ralts
    x2 Kirlia
    x2 Gardevoir SW
    x2 Gardevoir Lv.X
    x1 Gallade

    Just a start!
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2008
  17. tc19930815

    tc19930815 New Member

    if this deck is only for countering Magmortar, play G&G instead..........
     
  18. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    Thanks MrMeches!!
     
  19. PokePockets

    PokePockets New Member

    The deck isnt only for countering Mag, it can also counter G&G. Gardy+LB+Str Charm=OHKO on Gallade, and Gardy+LB=OHKO Gardy
     
  20. DL24

    DL24 New Member

    This deck could b sooooo much better w/ the new emp!!!
     
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