Epoleon/Octillery

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by carnageiii, Oct 8, 2007.

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  1. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    Ok here it goes my first post and I just started playing 2 weeks ago. Keep in mind this deck already won a BR tourny. It was my first tourny in years and it has been years since I played (base 1 to be exact). The point of the deck is to use chingling if I get him opening hand to get supporters to get out piplup and evolve him to empoleon and get the lv.x if possible. I use my 2 energy removal 2s to hit the weak pokemon with the energy removal and keep them up front so I can hit the bench with prinplup and octillery. If anyone knows how I can make this stronger please let me know I would like to hit for more than 40 a turn to the bench. Keep in mind I just started and I dont have all the cards I would like EX: Holon's castform

    Pokemon- 17
    Holons Castform -1

    Piplup- 4

    Prinplup - 3

    Empoleon- 2

    Empoleon Lv.x - 1

    Remoraid - 3

    Octillery - 3

    Chingling - 3

    Trainers- 26

    Glacia's Stadium - 1

    Speed Stadium - 1

    Energy Removal2 - 2

    Plus Power - 4

    Strngth Charm - 2

    copycat - 1

    scott - 2

    Tv Reporter - 3

    Celio's network - 1 (wish I had more of them though)

    Bills manitenance - 3

    Rare candy - 2

    Professor elms training method - 2

    Bebes search - 2

    Energies - 14
    water - 14


    I would like to get some double rainbow to pop in here but I dont have them yet and since ebay is wonderful I will order whatever I need. If you make a change please give a reason why you are changing it and not just saying you need to change this please. I would appreciate all the help I can get if I am to win further battle roads. I am also thining of putting my victory medal in there too let me know if that is a good idea. :thumb:

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    Also I forgot to ask for any good deck designs for a magmortar and typhlosion deck if anyone knows of any. I already got all the magmortar and the lvl.x I think I need. working on getting typholsion :pokeball:
     
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  2. I am Entei

    I am Entei New Member

    And the point of this deck is what? Any strategy? What BR did you win with this? on Mars?
     
  3. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    The point is to hit the bench with the Empoleons Iceblade and Octillerys aqua bomber. and the battle roads was in cleavland tn. I built it myself with a little help from going to 1 day at a card shop and getting ideas. I have a very limited knowledge of the cards out there so if you can make it better then by all means do so. That is why I came here in the first place.

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    My apologies that octillery is from Diamond and Pearl I believe its the newer one that doesnt do the pulse blast
     
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  4. megatron007

    megatron007 New Member

    what lack of respect is this entei, read the forum rules.

    and carnageiii this idea is good, but take off the chingling and add manthyke- mantine for 0 retreat cost.


    octillery is a speed pkmn and a good special energys destroyer.
     
  5. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    use the chinling space for 3 cessation instead, you have no usefull powers, so destroy theres
     
  6. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    ok I see the cessation crystal and mantyke both working well but do I need both of them or just one of them I like the idea of both of them. Is there a way for me to hit the bench harder than 40 a turn using water pokemon? Thank you for the ideas so far I really appreciate them
     
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  7. Professor Elm

    Professor Elm Active Member

    I would play
    4-4-4 Empoleon (NO Lv. X)
    2-1 Octillery
    It worked for me yesterday.
     
  8. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    and a 1-0-1 infernape line (2 casty, 1 dre, 3 scramble), this works
     
  9. bugsbite

    bugsbite New Member

    Sorry but the 1-0-1 line is not that good at all.
     
  10. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    keep in mind I am still new to all the sets when I ask this. what is a castys? also what about some holon mentor and castaway? I think they would work but dont know what I would need to take out. and I am now going to run 3 empoleon and 3 to 4 prinplup just incase and this did happen at the BR both of my empoleons were taken out. Luck for me he had a machamp out with special energy and I had octillery ready to go and smack him for 60 and add a plus power to that for 70 exactly and was able to pull the win out of my rear.
     
  11. charmander rox

    charmander rox New Member

    if you want to keep it simple go 4-4-4 Empoleon (no level x) and 2-2 Octillery without rare candy. prof. elm just won a BR with this 2 days ago.
     
  12. Dr. Mason

    Dr. Mason New Member

    The Lv. X is great, use it.
     
  13. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    I actually like the lvl.x so I am keeping it at 4-4-3-1
    can I get some help with my trainers I know I am missing something and I will need to add 1 holon's castform aswell

    victory medal-1
    glacias stadium-1
    bebe's search-2
    professor elms training method-2
    bills mainten.-3
    tv reporter-3
    rare candy-2
    celios network-1
    scott-2
    strength charm-2
    copycat-1
    plusepower-4
    energy removal2-2
    team galatics wager-2

    if anyone can help me tweak that I would appreciate it
    the pokemon are

    empoleon tech is 4-4-3-1
    remoraid-2 this is dp or mt I believe
    octillery from mt
    1 holons castform
    kyogre ex-1 (I pulled it alst night in a pack and saw it could snipe, so I figured I would use it mid game snipe 1 time then retreat build it up while empoleon is out there and if he gets nocked out then throw up kyogre again to finish off the guy and use as a wall untill I get out what I need. if this is a bad idea let me know I am not partial to him)
    and I am still at 14 water energies I will get some dre if I need them this weekend at the shop so let me know if I need them or not I don tthink they will be easy to get and the scrambles and cyclone energy or someting let me know what you guys think about them too please
     
  14. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Why prof. elms? you have no exs just use celios. And i would put the line somthing like,

    4 celios network
    3 rarecandy (if you going 4-4-4)
    3 holon mentor
    3 T.V reporter
    3 cesation crystals
    2 stevens advice
    2 team galactics
    2 castaway
    1 scott

    Thats 23 trainers, which is 5 less then your other trainer line, which leaves you spots too add in the cards you need, Like scramble energy and double rainbow energy. And also I would not run kyogre ex, even though it snipes the bench for a decent amout, it takes 2 turns to power up every time, and its easy to snipe on the bench for 2 prizes(for example, ray ex can kill it in 2 turns, maybe less if it already has dmg on it)
     
  15. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    he does 90 damage and has free retreat, he's good.
     
  16. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    ok I agree what about the victory medal card though? should I run it or not?
    ALso I have dodrio any comments on those? being able to hit for 30 damage to 3 pokemon is pretty good kinda 90 damage for 3 energy
     
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  17. bugsbite

    bugsbite New Member

    He is good if you can get him out and the chances of that are not too high.
     
  18. carnageiii

    carnageiii New Member

    4 celios network
    2 rarecandy
    3 holon mentor
    3 T.V reporter
    3 cesation crystals
    2 stevens advice
    2 team galactics
    2 castaway
    1 scott
    1 victory medal
    1 battle frontier

    empoleon tech is 4-4-3-1
    remoraid-2 this is dp or mt I believe
    octillery 2 from mt
    2 holons castform

    10 water energies
    2 cyclone energy (for getting out a weak pokemon so I can snipe the strong one on the bench)
    3 DRE
    2 Scramble

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    :pokeball::pokeball::pokeball: have edited snice last post please let me know what you guys think. It is still snipe but with 1 extra empoleon and prinplup. Also some dre's incase I get a second turn emp. and cyclone for switching thier pokemon out so I get to choose which one I want to face. Also scramble as a backup still would like to know what everyone thinks about dodrio and him bein able to hit 3 pokemon for 30 each if they are evolved it seems like a good card for the deck:pokeball::pokeball::pokeball:
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2007
  19. Darkwalker

    Darkwalker New Member

    If you want to see how Dodrio works try swapping the 2-2 Octillery and the 2 Holon's Castform for a 3-3 Dodrio line. I would also drop the Battle Frontier for a Night Maintenence or a Time Space Distortion (if you are lucky enough to have one) to help get an Empoleon back when one gets KO'd.

    I'm not sure how much I like Holon's Castform in this deck, with no delta species pokemon you are using this purely for energy purposes, but it opens up the possibilty for a truely horrible start. One Castform is probably enough if you are using it to bounce DRE to remove the -10 damage and Cyclone back to reuse them. Night Maintenece can also retrieve the Castform so it can be used more than once during the game.
     
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