K2theAblaM
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My friends and I are having a spirited debate over the effect of Espeon's Solar Revelation Ability:
I contend that the ability only protects "your" pokemon and doesn't affect the effects of attacks on the opponent's pokemon. (ie any damage calculations from flips, additional damage from extra energy, or sniping effects). I'm arguing that you calculate the damage first, (flip coins, etc) before dealing damage to the opponent and only then does Espeon's ability come into play. It would protect against special conditions and other effects, but you would still apply the effects of the "opponent's pokemon" such as coin flips, sniping damage, etc. to calculate damage.
My friends believe that the ability prevents effects of "your opponent's" pokemon as well as any effect that is done to your pokemon. This suggests that damage cannot be calculated normally as the "effects" of your opponents attacks (flip coins, etc) are prevented by Espeon's ability. (ie all effects are prevented so if an opponent's attack says to flip a coin, you don't do it. You only apply the base damage)
We have a few specific examples and would like to know EXACTLY what happens:
Here is the scenario:
For the sake of simplicity, my opponent has an Espeon DE active and 5 benched Pokemon, ALL of which have energy attached. (The amount and type are negligible, this is just to prove that Espeon's ability is activated for all of my opponent's pokemon)
Scenario 1:
I have a Typhlosion Prime active, with 3 fire energy. I use Flare Destroy to deal 70 damage to my opponent. Since Espeon's ability is activated, Espeon doesn't discard any energy and takes 70 damage, but does Typhlosion have to discard energy as well, since it is an "affect of the attack"?
Scenario 2:
I have a Kyurem NV active with 3 water energy. Can I still use Glaciate and deal 30 damage to each of my opponent's pokemon? Or does Espeon's ability prevent me from using this "effect" of my attack.
Scenario 3:
I have a Vanilluxe with 2 water energy. Can I use double freeze against my opponent? Does Espeon's ability prevent me from flipping two coins because that is an "effect" of my attack? Or do I flip 2 coins and deal the damage out as normal but my opponent doesn't get paralyzed because of the Ability?
Scenario 4:
I have a Hydreigon NV active with 4 basic darkness energy. Can I still use Berserker Blade do deal 40 damage to two of my opponent's bench even if they have energy on it? Or is the "sniping damage" prevented because it is an effect of my attack and I can only do 60 base damage to Espeon.
Scenario 5 (last one
)
I have a Gothitelle active with 3 psychic energy against my opponent's Espeon DE with energy. I attack with Madkenisis. How much damage would this attack do to Espeon? 30 base damage (60 after weaknes) because you DON'T apply the "effect" off Madkenisis (add 30 for each psychic energy attached) or 90 (base) because you have 3 Psychic energy to it effectively doing 180 to Espeon DE.
The argument for us comes down to "Which effects get prevented?" "Your" pokemon only... or "your opponent's" pokemon as well, preventing them from using certain attackes with special "effects" like damage spread, coin flipping, sniping, or additional damages.
Thanks for your help!
-chris
I contend that the ability only protects "your" pokemon and doesn't affect the effects of attacks on the opponent's pokemon. (ie any damage calculations from flips, additional damage from extra energy, or sniping effects). I'm arguing that you calculate the damage first, (flip coins, etc) before dealing damage to the opponent and only then does Espeon's ability come into play. It would protect against special conditions and other effects, but you would still apply the effects of the "opponent's pokemon" such as coin flips, sniping damage, etc. to calculate damage.
My friends believe that the ability prevents effects of "your opponent's" pokemon as well as any effect that is done to your pokemon. This suggests that damage cannot be calculated normally as the "effects" of your opponents attacks (flip coins, etc) are prevented by Espeon's ability. (ie all effects are prevented so if an opponent's attack says to flip a coin, you don't do it. You only apply the base damage)
We have a few specific examples and would like to know EXACTLY what happens:
Here is the scenario:
For the sake of simplicity, my opponent has an Espeon DE active and 5 benched Pokemon, ALL of which have energy attached. (The amount and type are negligible, this is just to prove that Espeon's ability is activated for all of my opponent's pokemon)
Scenario 1:
I have a Typhlosion Prime active, with 3 fire energy. I use Flare Destroy to deal 70 damage to my opponent. Since Espeon's ability is activated, Espeon doesn't discard any energy and takes 70 damage, but does Typhlosion have to discard energy as well, since it is an "affect of the attack"?
Scenario 2:
I have a Kyurem NV active with 3 water energy. Can I still use Glaciate and deal 30 damage to each of my opponent's pokemon? Or does Espeon's ability prevent me from using this "effect" of my attack.
Scenario 3:
I have a Vanilluxe with 2 water energy. Can I use double freeze against my opponent? Does Espeon's ability prevent me from flipping two coins because that is an "effect" of my attack? Or do I flip 2 coins and deal the damage out as normal but my opponent doesn't get paralyzed because of the Ability?
Scenario 4:
I have a Hydreigon NV active with 4 basic darkness energy. Can I still use Berserker Blade do deal 40 damage to two of my opponent's bench even if they have energy on it? Or is the "sniping damage" prevented because it is an effect of my attack and I can only do 60 base damage to Espeon.
Scenario 5 (last one
)I have a Gothitelle active with 3 psychic energy against my opponent's Espeon DE with energy. I attack with Madkenisis. How much damage would this attack do to Espeon? 30 base damage (60 after weaknes) because you DON'T apply the "effect" off Madkenisis (add 30 for each psychic energy attached) or 90 (base) because you have 3 Psychic energy to it effectively doing 180 to Espeon DE.
The argument for us comes down to "Which effects get prevented?" "Your" pokemon only... or "your opponent's" pokemon as well, preventing them from using certain attackes with special "effects" like damage spread, coin flipping, sniping, or additional damages.
Thanks for your help!
-chris
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