Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Format for a Perfect (Sand) Storm?

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Broken Lizard

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As we all know, and expected, the transition of the game from WotC to PUI has been a bit 'bumpy'. The player base is still largely intact, for now, but is anxiously awaiting important new information, especially regarding formats.

There are also untold thousands of former players who hopped on the fanboy bandwagon at some point, and then hopped off again for one reason or another months to years ago. Many of them still have their cards, and some of them are showing interest in rejoining the player base! I think Nintendo/PUI would be smart to do something to entice those players to bring out their old cards for another go at the game.

Those of you who know me know that I spend a lot of time thinking about formats. I live for new ones. Nothing else showcases true deck building skill or boosts player interest like a brand new, untested format.

I think I may have come up with something worth a look.

Before I go into details, it is important to remind everyone that any new format must meet certain criteria. Any new format must:

-Be simple to learn and explain
-Be accessible to newer players
-Encourage sales of newer cards
-Be balanced and interesting​

With these requirements in mind, I give you:

HYBRID FORMAT

1. All cards allowed under the current Modified Format may be used as normal.

2. Single copies of any cards ever released in the US (promos and cards from older sets) may also be used.​

And that's it.

It is very simple, yet highly dynamic, since it changes whenever a new set enters play. Most decks would still need to run at least 1 evolution line, I think. This is because there is not enough reliable removal in the format to support a pure 'haymaker variant'. The main evolution line would need to come from a newer set, along with many of the trainers. This would meet the requirement that the format encourage card sales!

Of particular strategic benefit, all of the Stadiums released thus far suddenly become playable again. 'Broken' trainers are available also, but only as singles, along with BBP's (yes, even Sneasel).

I think that the format would really balance the colors well, given the ability to TecH in singles to cover holes in the ranks of underutilized colors like Lightning.

Here are some of the other benefits this format could create:

-Combining the best aspects of both Modified and Unlimited Formats to produce something new, fresh and exciting.

-Allowing former players the chance to use some of their existing cards in Premier events, thus giving them incentive to return to the game.

-Limiting the impact of 'overpowered' older cards while using them to spice up and balance gameplay.

-Increasing strategic options for creative deck designs and playstyles.

-Further distinguishing PUI as a company with bold new ideas of its own, not merely rehashed WotC standards.

-Allowing older players to trade with newer players for cards that each may have, and that the other will need.​

PUI needs to do whatever possible to kickstart its OP programs. The signs thusfar are all good, but I think something more may be needed. Could this be it?
 
You got broken again? :(

Well, the only problem I'd have with this format is that it's a bit random if you happen to draw the "power" cards or not.
 
i would have to disagree with this format with one thing, Base Blastoise, even having one in the deck, with the actual drawpower in MF, it would be ridiculosly overpowered. The only thing stopping these, would be that he ends up in prizes...
 
Access to the older cards would give us all a chance to avoid flippy-mon. So the idea has merit.

Apart from a few pokemon, mostly I'd expect it to be the trainers that would be used from the earlier sets. So as a minor adjustment to Lizards suggestion maybe all earlier trainers should be accessible, rather than all the old cards. The Japanese have had restrictions for a long time and it doesn't seem to cause them any difficulty...
 
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I don't see this working. The number of single cards will make decks difficult to check. I also feel that modified as is works very well, and that an update to it would serve the game immensely.
 
This also discourages new players entering the game. Guys, they'll probably choose RS On, because most of us will continue playing ANYWAYS... while it makes it where new players can easily join in. It's common sense ;/

LC-On or EX-On don't allow new players to easily enter the game, making it where they'd rather join another TCG instead.

~ RaNd0m
 
I playtested this format a good bit back in uh...hmmm it was time of the pokeisle, so it was after WCSTS, before the GCs i believe. I remember loving the format so much, this thing was so much fun to play. The testing we did was really interesting, i'm not too sure how it would work with the new sets...since i haven't tested it with sets past NDestiny. But yea, the format was awesome, you guys should give it a chance. The only real down side to it is the availability of old cards....but eh
 
There will be prereleases scheduled for early-mid September, with a release in mid-September. Until it's officially out, that's all I can say.
 
Very interesting format, but I don't think it would work. It could be abused by certain cards, but yes, the majority of cards would not be able to be abused.
There would just be too many minor flaws to that format as compared to its advantages.
RaNd0m said:
This also discourages new players entering the game. Guys, they'll probably choose RS On, because most of us will continue playing ANYWAYS... while it makes it where new players can easily join in. It's common sense ;/

LC-On or EX-On don't allow new players to easily enter the game, making it where they'd rather join another TCG instead.
Expedition on still shows itself as the best choice for the future. New players STILL have access to Expedition through Skyridge, as they're all less than a year old. Yes, R/S on would work for some people, and allow for new people, BUT, as was clearly described on the Modified v.3 thread, R/S on is a horrible format as of now. It would discourage many people from continuing with the game. Down the road, ok, then it could be much better.

As long as E-sets are available, whether they come off the shelf, or second-hand, by trading, Expedition-on is the best format for keeping the existing players, while still leaving the door open for new people.
 
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Is there any reason why we cannot have more than Two
Constructed Formats?

There is Pokemon Unlimited.
With all the cards availble.
Magic calls this Type One format.

There is Pokemon Modified.
With only the certain sets available.
Magic calls this Type Two format.

There could be something in between.
Unlimited with certain cards banned
or restricted because they are too
powerful. (Sneasel Neo and friends)
Magic calls this Type 1.5 format.

The Hybrid Format suggested above is
just one example of what a Type 1.5 format
could be like. This format could change as
time goes by...

Furret walks into the room.
Furret reads Doug's Post.
Furret decides Pokemon
Type 1.5 should be called
The Furret Format.

Furret quite pleased itself,
gets out a Lava Cookie to
Celebrate...
 
RaNd0m said:
LC-On or EX-On don't allow new players to easily enter the game, making it where they'd rather join another TCG instead.

MMmmm.

I disagree that LC-on or EX-on keeps new players from entering the game. They can trade for what they need short term with other people in their OP experiences. Plus, those formats don't need to have a huge lifetime. But RS=on is too abrupt and also contrary to the approach thus far...

PUI has WISELY taken an inclusive approach to the transition:

Old profs -- IN
There is an argument for excluding the 'I just took the test so I could keep playing.' fellow trainers from being profs. But PUI seems to realize NOW is not the time to do it. Bring everyone over, then things will sort themselves out, especially because...

Older players -- IN
It has become clear that TPC was NOT the impetus for the exclusion of 15+ from OP, but rather fears/concerns of the higher ups in WOTC/Hasbro. Bless the MTs, they tried to stave it off and when they couldn't they very creatively implemented the professor program. PUI saw how 15+ exclusion hurt the game and sales. 15+ in. In fact, 15+ are the ones with the most...

Old cards -- IN
So far, statements about Pokemon-e have stressed the compatibility of the game with older cards. To me that implies mainstream OP, as well. PUI seems to realize that we have had 4 sets so far in 2003. It seems likely to me that we'll have 6 before year end. Dumping the cards from the first of the year and last holidays, does not have much merit to me. From a balance perspective, it seems bad, e.g.given the weak draw in RS so far, but that's debatable. However, the RUDENESS of making people who came back to this game in the last year dump much of their just bought cards in favor of RS seems to be anti-consumer. Planned obsolescence on speed. Sure, modified is about obsolescence and accessibility but RS-on in October is too abrupt.

Forgive me, but 'September change good for a year' was a WOTC timetable. I don't think we should expect it and I certainly couldn't support it during this transition. I have boxes of E-card and LC that I intend to use to give the local kids (and SoCal tourney players) a chance to get in low cost drafts. I'll turn that money around and buy R/S & Sandstorm to do more drafts. At that point I have a bunch of new players with a good LC-on card pool. If that was good 'til Spring, it would be good for the game.

My experience is that if a new player comes to my draft and gets enough cards to play in constructed, then they shortly will be showing off cards they got apart from the tourneys.

Easy does it. I don't think we should be expecting or inviting the JOLTs we've gotten in the past from WOTC/Hasbro out of PUI. Grow it slow and it'll be stronger in the end.
 
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These 1 of this card, 1 of that card formats, I don't think would work. It will confuse younger players & it just doesn't feel right to me.
As for the "Furret Format" wasn't LC basically accomplishing that. ;)
 
So what might Lizards trainer engine look like?

1 Oak
1 Elm
1 Gust
1 Item Finder
1 CPU Search
1 SER
1 ER
1 Chaos Gym (My FAVOURITE!)
1 PlusPower
1 Trader
+E-on cards


The only card I've listed that bothers me is SER it may just add to the random element that we currently have with the likes of Focus band and tyrogue.
 
Type 1.5

Actually, I think this is a decent idea.

Allow the power cards, but limit them to 1 in between Unlimited and Modified...that way no one can complain that they don't have their Oak/Search/Finder...they just don't have 4 of them.

The other reason I think this could work: I can think of another game a lot of people have been playing lately where all the good cards are restricted to 1...
 
I agree with CPU on this one. I think this would be a great format idea. The only thing I dont understand is how you people are complaining about bringing the old, yet, more "powerful" cards back into play. As far as I know, the older cards cant even match up to the power of the new ones (like Marcargo). If you look at decks/cards today (like our "good friend," Tyrouge), you cant even KO one pokemon in the current Modified Format unless you have a bloody Four-Leaf Clover with you. So, in my opinion, I think this would be a great idea. This could be like Nintendo's version of Unlimited.
 
Seems to me the older Trainers tend to be more powerful than the new ones, but the old Pokemon tend to be less powerful than the new ones.
 
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