RainbowRichards
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Has the discussion calmed down about the new format which was announced by Amigo-spiele.de??? It is quite different than has been used previously (as far as I know) for Premiere Pokemon TCG events...
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Full translation of this Saturday's Deutsche Pokémon Meisterschaft
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Rainbowgym
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Yes it is different, and I think it's a bad timing to test such a modus.
Personally I don't like the system they are going to work with.
It will give the young ones a hard time to get themselves into the main tournament.
There was nothing mentioned about splitting the KO rounds up in agegroups, so each 8 players in a row will have to compete.
There is a large 15+ division in Germany.
I only hope it will not end up in a mess. Hard time to judge/oversee such modus.
Because if 64 players show up (which can easily) you will start with 8 flights, after 30 minutes (or more no time limit) you start up 4 again or meaby more depending on new arrivals.
It doesn't say how many players total are going to be in the Main tournament.
This modus can work absolutely but why a try out at Nationals.
At the German MB you can find divers opinions, but I don't understand everything said there.
Personally I don't like the system they are going to work with.
It will give the young ones a hard time to get themselves into the main tournament.
There was nothing mentioned about splitting the KO rounds up in agegroups, so each 8 players in a row will have to compete.
There is a large 15+ division in Germany.
I only hope it will not end up in a mess. Hard time to judge/oversee such modus.
Because if 64 players show up (which can easily) you will start with 8 flights, after 30 minutes (or more no time limit) you start up 4 again or meaby more depending on new arrivals.
It doesn't say how many players total are going to be in the Main tournament.
This modus can work absolutely but why a try out at Nationals.
At the German MB you can find divers opinions, but I don't understand everything said there.
RainbowRichards
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I read the German MB (I speak/read/write), and at first there were many voiced opposed to the new 'modus' - I will hope they are running age-seperated flights (the only fair way).
I agree it would have been better to try out the new method in a lower-level event than nationals...
I agree it would have been better to try out the new method in a lower-level event than nationals...
Rainbowgym
Active Member
Depending on attendance I can only hope they will at least separate the younger ones from the older ones.
Could be done easily by wearing badges or scorepapers in a specific color for each agegroup.
Also depending on total attendance there are a lot of side-workers needed.
If they really want to start flights each 30 minutes.
It's new, it can be done, but it needs probably some improvisation during the day.
If it wasn't for my suspension I would offer help as judge or whatever, but I'm not allowed.
It's a challenge which I wouldn't denie, but it needs good communication.
My experience with flight tells me the little ones will like this system as long as they are playing in their own age division. I did this many times at my club with 32 players of 10 and under and they liked it.
For the 15+ I don't know if they like it. We almost don't have those.
Could be done easily by wearing badges or scorepapers in a specific color for each agegroup.
Also depending on total attendance there are a lot of side-workers needed.
If they really want to start flights each 30 minutes.
It's new, it can be done, but it needs probably some improvisation during the day.
If it wasn't for my suspension I would offer help as judge or whatever, but I'm not allowed.
It's a challenge which I wouldn't denie, but it needs good communication.
My experience with flight tells me the little ones will like this system as long as they are playing in their own age division. I did this many times at my club with 32 players of 10 and under and they liked it.
For the 15+ I don't know if they like it. We almost don't have those.
NoPoke
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FWIW that system was used at the UK STS at Thorpe Park many many years ago. Yes its different but its not worse nor is it better. Just different. it works best with a large number of players.
OOPS correction. Flights were used at Thorpe park as qualifiers for a main swiss event. I wonder how the seeding will be decided for the TOPX playoffs if flights are used?
The flights system does have one big advantage... NO TMS crashes or strange pairings after 4 rounds to contend with. I wonder how many distributors are still using Reporter?
OOPS correction. Flights were used at Thorpe park as qualifiers for a main swiss event. I wonder how the seeding will be decided for the TOPX playoffs if flights are used?
The flights system does have one big advantage... NO TMS crashes or strange pairings after 4 rounds to contend with. I wonder how many distributors are still using Reporter?
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RainbowRichards
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Treecko said:
Well, they are having the main event as best-of-3 matches - the controversy is regarding the preliminary 'qualification' tournaments (not rounds) which take 8 players in a single-elimination mini-tournament, and the winner thereof is qualified to participate in the main event for his/her age group:
http://www.amigo-spiele.de/PM_Deutsche_Meisterschaft_2005.Amigo?ActiveID=1082 said:
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German Pokemon National Championship
The German Pokemon National Championship takes place on 7 May 2005, in a huge TCG event in Frankfurt. Germany's best Pokemon Trainers will gather on this day and compete for the title of German Pokemon Master.
The winner of each age group will qualify to participate in the World Championship in San Diego, USA, and win a trip with accomodations for themselves and a companion. Participation in the German Pokemon National Championship is open to all Pokemon Trainers. Even if you have never participated in a previous tournament, you can participate in the German Pokemon National Championship and win fabulous prizes.
The German Pokemon National Championship takes place in the:
Jahrhunderthalle
Frankfurt-Höchst
Organization of the German National Championship
The German Pokemon National Championship 2005 will be run in a new method. So that as many players as possible have a chance to participate in the German National Championship, the Tournament will be split into several qualifying events and then a Main event. Each qualification tournament will consist of 8 players [in single elimination mode]. The winner of each qualification tournament qualifies for the Main event. Throughout the qualification tournaments, players will also qualify for the Main event based upon their overall ranking. The following explains the method and answers Frequently Asked Questions regarding the Tournament.
Qualification Tournaments
- Registration for the qualification events begins at 10:00 am and closes at 1:00 pm. Participation in the qualification events is free.
- Each qualification event consists of 8 players in single-elimination, single-game matches. Matches are untimed.
- Registered players will be distributed by the judges into [8-player] qualification tournaments.
- A new qualificatin event will be started approximately every 30 minutes, when enough players have registered.
- The winner of each qualification event is qualified to participate in the Main event.
- Eliminated players can immediately sign up for a new qualification event. There is no limit in the number of qualification events that an eliminated player may enter.
- Players must present a new decklist upon registering for each qualification event. The deck may be changed between qualification events.
- Players who have qualified for the Main event may NOT participate in further qualification events.
- Every player who participates in at least one qualification event will receive a Nationals promo card and pin as participation prize.
Qualifying for the Main Event
- The winner of each [8-player] qualification tournament is qualified for the main event in his/her age group.
- All participants in the qualification events will be ranked. There is a ranking for each age group. Ranking is based upon the number of games won during the qualification events.
- The top 2 players in each age group that did NOT win a qualification event will qualify to participate in the main event for their age group. Additional places may qualify depending upon the total number of participants in the main event.
Main Event
- The Main event starts at 3:00 pm. Participation is of couorse free for the qualified players.
- Every player must present a decklist for the Main event. Players are not obligated to play the same deck with which they qualified.
- There will be a seperate tournament for each age group. Format will be single-elimination with untimed Best-of-3 Matches.
- The top 4 players in each age group earn invitations to the World Championship in San Diego.
- The winner of each age group wins the trip to the World Championship with accomodations.
General Questions [FAQ]
- Who may participate in the German National Championship?
Every interested Pokemon player may participate and can earn an invite to the World Championship.
The trip to Worlds will go to the top player in each age group who has a permanent address in Germany.
- What prizes are being awarded besides Worlds invites?
In addition to invitations and the trip to Worlds, generus prizes in the form of Pokemon product, POP boosters and merchandise will be awarded. In addition, Good Sportsman prizes will be awarded.
- What is the event format?
All matches are played using Modified Constructed format. In this format, all cards from Ruby & Saphire onwards are allowed, as well as POP Series 1 and Black Star promos numbered 001 and up.
- Can I use my cards from the EX: Emerald prerelease?
The official release date for EX: Emerald is 9 May, 2005. All new expansions are tournament legal on the release date. As such, cards from EX: Emerald may NOT be used in the German National Championship.
- May I use Japanese (French, Italian, etc.) cards?
German- and English-language cards may be used at the German National Championship [without referene cards]. Cards in other languages may only be used when the player has the same card, either in German or English, available outside the deck as reference card.
- Can I use 'shiney' card sleeves?
The use of certain card sleeves may be forbidden by the responsible judge(s) due to a multitude of reasons. Frequent reasons include - sleeves with mirror effect, or sleeves which may be easily marked. If you are unsure whether your sleeves are acceptable, please be sure to have them checked by a judge prior to the beginning of the event.
- Will I receive my decklist back after each event?
The decklists from every event are retained [by event staff]. Please prepare a new decklist for each event.
**whew**
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Glumanda
Rulings Compendium Translator
This system was only made that way because the Natioanls are part of the special event "10 years TCG with Amigo-Spiele" with demo rounds for all their TCG´s, mini-leagues with prizes, side events and so on and so forth and that system leaves everyone the chance to participate in the many, many activities they will have there. For "normal" Nationals this system would never ever be considered.
@Agegroups: Registrations will be collected over a certain time span and all registrations will be distributed randomly to the flights after they have been sorted by age groups.
Example: Preregistrations are:
12 10-
24 11-14
28 15+
Then you´ll have:
One flight 10-
One flight 10-/11-14
Two flights 11-14
One flight 11-14/15+
Three flights 15+
In the final playoffs the age groups will be totally seperated.
@Agegroups: Registrations will be collected over a certain time span and all registrations will be distributed randomly to the flights after they have been sorted by age groups.
Example: Preregistrations are:
12 10-
24 11-14
28 15+
Then you´ll have:
One flight 10-
One flight 10-/11-14
Two flights 11-14
One flight 11-14/15+
Three flights 15+
In the final playoffs the age groups will be totally seperated.
Rainbowgym
Active Member
That sounds good.
@ I don't know if you have thought about it, but registering manual and using colored sheets per agegroup will prevent a lot of problems.
@ I don't know if you have thought about it, but registering manual and using colored sheets per agegroup will prevent a lot of problems.
Rainbowgym
Active Member
German Nationals are over.
Those judges had to run/work very very hard.
I hope they got more than 10 boosters which is the compensation for judges at the Dutch Nationals, those German Judges deserved much more.
OVerall, due to the hard work of the judges almost everyone could play 2-3 flights.
Personal I find that not enough, but they couldn't get more done, not enough people/judge to do so.
Tournament was listed 10a.m - 13 a.m. , but the doors opened at 10a.m. and before the first flights started it was around 11 a.m. So only 2 hours and that's not much.
I have the impression that the judges were not happy at all with this system, but that they didn't had a vote in it.
I think they got overruled by the LD.
Don't understand me wrong, I'm only talking about the system used at this Nationals.
Those judges had to run/work very very hard.
I hope they got more than 10 boosters which is the compensation for judges at the Dutch Nationals, those German Judges deserved much more.
OVerall, due to the hard work of the judges almost everyone could play 2-3 flights.
Personal I find that not enough, but they couldn't get more done, not enough people/judge to do so.
Tournament was listed 10a.m - 13 a.m. , but the doors opened at 10a.m. and before the first flights started it was around 11 a.m. So only 2 hours and that's not much.
I have the impression that the judges were not happy at all with this system, but that they didn't had a vote in it.
I think they got overruled by the LD.
Don't understand me wrong, I'm only talking about the system used at this Nationals.
Glumanda
Rulings Compendium Translator
There was a problem with the personell: The crew should be 5 judges, 2 helpers and the representative of Amigo. One judge got ill and the two helpers never showed up. You can guess what this means...
The problem with the system was: We had never a chance to interfere with it because at the timepoint we got that information the advertisement was out and running. And you cannot advertise a flight system and then say: Oh sorry, you are too late for the swiss tournament.
There all some more things I´m not very happy with for which this is the false place to discuss...
The problem with the system was: We had never a chance to interfere with it because at the timepoint we got that information the advertisement was out and running. And you cannot advertise a flight system and then say: Oh sorry, you are too late for the swiss tournament.
There all some more things I´m not very happy with for which this is the false place to discuss...
Rainbowgym
Active Member
We know that's why I stated
And it shows again that Communication is very difficult, most of all from LD to "field workers".
And it shows again that Communication is very difficult, most of all from LD to "field workers".
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NoPoke
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found this picture of the event... http://photos1.blogger.com/img/10/2381/640/PIC_8372.jpg
what can I say but [size=+1]WOW![/size]
what can I say but [size=+1]WOW![/size]
If you wanna see more pictures I took at the German Nationals go to Pokemon League Zweibruecken ! There you´ll find some pics of the winners and the event in general!
It was a very nice event but sometimes kinda chaotic but the judges did their best ! ;-)
Back to the personell problem:
I received a mail from Amigo about one week before the event took place! At that time I already decided to play (I built a deck, did test games etc.)! If the mail arrived about 2 or 3 weeks earlier I would have helped!
If they want more helpers and/or judges they should mail you earlier so you can decide wether you play or judge/help!
It was a very nice event but sometimes kinda chaotic but the judges did their best ! ;-)
Back to the personell problem:
I received a mail from Amigo about one week before the event took place! At that time I already decided to play (I built a deck, did test games etc.)! If the mail arrived about 2 or 3 weeks earlier I would have helped!
If they want more helpers and/or judges they should mail you earlier so you can decide wether you play or judge/help!