G&G, takes lots of skill, but works so well it looks like a noob deck.

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by DarthPika, Feb 25, 2008.

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  1. DL24

    DL24 New Member

    I think it depends on how u look at it. If ur tha one playin against gardy gallad,I guess u judge it based on how the opponent plays.The same goes the other way around. That probably doesn't make any sense but I'm sure some one gets the jist of wat I attempting 2 say! But personally, I say the skill factor definely comes in when ur playin mirror.
     
  2. garchompx12

    garchompx12 New Member

    there isnt really much skill involved in it. look at it this way:

    options for gallade- 1. reduce them to 50 HP and make them switch.
    2. 1HKO almost anything in the format

    options for gardy/l.vX- 1. do 60 and shut down powers, which for some decks is absolutely deadly
    2. 1HKO anything in play, as long as you meet the requirements.
    not only that, but you can use 2 supporters a turn with gardy! its just a destructive deck that you just kill things in your way with. but the mirror is different....
     
  3. Scipio

    Scipio New Member

    I've been watching some GG battles as a judge, so with no prejudice at all. And I have to say that of all the GG victories I saw, about 70% were due to sheer topdecking luck early on. Mirror Matches kept boiling down to "Who Absols The Luckiest", victories against Magmortar were more due to lucky coin flips on cards such as ER2/The discarding of Claydol through Absol rather as any skill...

    Thats GG's main problem. Taking the proper decisions takes skill, true, but the deck itself is n00bish in that it always seems to luck out. It forces luck, so to speak.
     
  4. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Great explanation of how the deck works.

    Ya you can pound your opponents into the ground with Gallade, but that IS NOT how the decks should be used.
    G&G is a very flexible deck with lots of options, and lots of decisions on what to do. Because your attack power dies out late game you need to be thinking TURNS ahead so it works out for you. You can attack with Gardevoir, the Lv.x or Gallade, and you need to be able to know when to use each one or the deck wont work as well. Yes, a bad player can do ok with G&G because it works really well, but a good to great player can do amazingly well with it because the stratagy is MUCH deeper than it first appears.
    All of this is with a BASIC list. It gets even more complicated if you start to add techs, like Cressalia lv.x that bring the the complexity of the deck to a whole new level.

    If you want to get down to it, G&G is as complex as the the player that uses it. It can be amazingly simple or very complex depending on the players skill.

    I hope this clears things up a little.
     
  5. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    GG does not take skill to play.
    However, it takes skill to play it right.
    It takes more skill to play it right everytime.

    It is based highly on luck.
    The skill is being able to take that luck and abuse it to your advantage.
     
  6. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Good G&Gs DON'T use Absol and DON'T rely on good top decks.
     
  7. Scipio

    Scipio New Member

    Differs for each region.
     
  8. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    it depends on the regions.

    I have seen good GG decks use Absol.
    Others do not.

    EVERY deck relies on good topdecks.
    GG can utilize the top decks better then most decks.
     
  9. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    G&G is much better if its more consistant, rather than disrupting your opponents setup.
     
  10. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    So is this another "G&G isn't a deck" sort of trend, like it was with MARIO?
     
  11. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    no, it's more of a, is GG an "anybody's deck" deck.
     
  12. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    No, its a G&G takes a LOT more skills to use than most ppl think, and at the same time as Absoltrainer said is an "anybody's deck" deck.

    The fact that anyone can use it without to much trouble sadly seems to lead people to think that it doesn't take any skills to use it. :nonono:
     
  13. Lordofflareons

    Lordofflareons New Member

    You all may think that the deck takes no skill to win. My little bro provs all of you wrong. He is a good player of speed decks, but cant hold out with a setup deck, forgetting too many things. I think that it matters what decks you are good with, such as:

    1. Str8 decks
    2. setup decks
    3 speed decks(more than one st1 line)
    4. abstract decks ( not setup, kinda speedy like ape.)

    A good player can master any of these with practice.
     
  14. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    ^ I would say G&G is an abstract deck as it can be set up, rush, or a combination, kinda like ape.
     
  15. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    Good G&G DID use Absol and G&G DOES depend on top decks.

    Absol disrupts,discard supporters and Gardy usesthem. How isnt that good in a deck that setup itself regardless of what they play??

    G&G takes skill to play,but its a deck that can be used without any skill and still win with.Which makes it like a YGO deck that is used in traditional format that dominants that format,that deck is called CHAOS.

    Which would mae G&G a cookie cutter deck.
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2008
  16. chriscobi634

    chriscobi634 New Member

    that's why wood811 went 3-0 against Ness's GG, Matt Alvis's GG and some other G/G with Flygon Ex D, right?

    Flygon Ex D losses to G/G, I think not, get your facts straight.
     
  17. Lordofflareons

    Lordofflareons New Member

    Good gallades definitely did not use absol. There may have been good lists, but there is one insanely fast version i am thinking of that takes absol apart and out draws and outspeeds absol. Absol relies on topdecks and what you take from them.
     
  18. BloodDraek

    BloodDraek New Member

    well there is a noob at the states I'm going to who is going to play G&G that has absolutely no skill whatsoever. If he does well with it, then gardelade doesn't take any skill to play. If he doesn't do too well, then G & G takes skill. END of Story
     
  19. Ignatious

    Ignatious New Member

    Anyone who thinks G&G doesn't take skill is stupid. End of story. I feel like explaining myself here would be a complete waste of my time.
     
  20. Lordofflareons

    Lordofflareons New Member

    100 % AGREE, ignatious.

    Its not easy using it. Its hard to make choices like that.
     

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