Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

G&G, takes lots of skill, but works so well it looks like a noob deck.

Lordofflareons said:
Good gallades definitely did not use absol. There may have been good lists, but there is one insanely fast version i am thinking of that takes absol apart and out draws and outspeeds absol. Absol relies on topdecks and what you take from them.
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Look at what won cities,and Absol starting Gardylades where everywhere,so how did not GOOD G&G use Absol,Absol before Claydol was utter broke the ability to get rid of 2 card from ure hand isnt good,maybe more with Mars?/yea ure right good G&G wouldnt play Absol....
 
I think most of you are missing the point... Gallade is such a dominant deck right now that yes, any noobie can probably pick it up and win with it, even if they make a ton of misplays; however, is that noobie going to topcut with that gallade deck? no way, because to topcut, you need skills. that same nubie will lose to other gallade players with skills and will also lose to gatr, magmortar, etc

oh yeah, to say that gallade is lucked based and needs topdecks, that only applies to the absol variant....
 
~`Flygon`~ said:
Look at what won cities,and Absol starting Gardylades where everywhere,so how did not GOOD G&G use Absol,Absol before Claydol was utter broke the ability to get rid of 2 card from ure hand isnt good,maybe more with Mars?/yea ure right good G&G wouldnt play Absol....
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Well people who play absol with GG is totaly luck reliant because you need luck to get good cards out of your opponents hand and also to get good topdecks to set up. If you slow down there set up a lot your set up is still slow unless you get a lot of good topdecks so if they do get set up and your not then you lose.
 
How do you not setup,Gardveior is just not in the list huh?just by hitting a stevens or celios Gardy will pick up and run with it.U get a supporter a turn and one from power,how can you not setup from that?? How do you guys play the deck cuz it seems like you think that Stantler one isnt luck based,u get a supporter,u still gotta use it and either get draw or a poke,Furret gets 2 cards,u still gotta use another possible two turns to get everything.Either way u have to draw and play your hand as it is.

Either version is lucked based,just becuz u have a pari/stantler/furret varient dosent mean every time u draw,ure gonna draw what u need.

It depends on your list,Absol isnt good anymore cuz of the release of claydol,but before then it was one of the best varients for G&G,hands down.Cities showed that.
 
Any deck can be used by any player at any time, irregardless of skill level. It's the amount of analysis one has that determines the skill necessary. I.E., does a player pick up a deck and automatically know how it's supposed to run based on a quick look through? Or does the player pick up the deck and stumble through the cards. The more streamline a deck, obviously, the easier time anyone else will have trying to play it.

G/G is one of those decks that is just so streamline that people don't have to really know what they're doing to play it.

However, G/G is so streamline that they may miss the slight differentiations and little quirks of the situations at hand. Most G/G players for the first time ignore Sonic Blade altogether and go for the OHKO, which of course, costs them prizes that could be used later on in the game. The more skill one has, the easier it is for them to notice the slight changes, and the easier it is for them to win.

A player who has no clue what's going on may very well win a decent amount of games with G/G, but they're not going to be able to hold a candle to a good player with almost any other deck.

So, I agree - it doesn't take any skill to play, but it takes skill to play well.

Yeesh, long-winded reiteration, much?
 
OK seems like what I said was taken out of context.

When I say GG is an "Anybody's deck" I do not mean it does not take skill. If you read my earliar posts, you would see that.

However if you give the deck to a noob, he can use it and do ok with it.
Give destiny or absolutions to a noob. They won't do well with it.

GG works a lot like metanite worked. Anybody can successfuly use the deck. But to use the deck right and to use it right everytime. To master the deck takes time and skill.
 
G/G isn't a no skill deck but it isn't very hard to play IMO.

Absol versions are totally luckbased, if you pull every single supporter out of your opponents hand you autowin, but if you miss the right cards you loose. This is why I hate absol so much, my opponents always hit rosi & candy or sth like that.

Making a good G/G List that can win a mirror consistantly is the most important thing.
The deck itself isn't really that hard to play, the bit of prediction skill you need to know, which of 3/4 attacks you should use, is not much more than basic knowledge.

And Flygon Ex d can beat the **** out of G/G i you play smart^^
If won the biggest german CC using a Flygon Ex d Deck and beating the 2 high ranked german players(although i doubt that this does mean anything...), both using G/G (one furret one Absol)
 
I want to point out another aspect of G&G that folks haven’t really talked about yet.

Gallade has two nice attacks ... but he can only target the active Pokemon. While Sonic Blade can influence things ultimately G&G’s opponent controls who is active and who isn’t. His second attack is also influenced by the opponent’s decisions ... if they sacrifice 3 basics then Gallade probably can’t OKHO some 130 HP Pokemon they send up next.

Gardevoir’s Telepass can only use the supporters your opponent uses / discards (unless you play the dreaded Absol) & can only target the opponent’s active. The level X’s attack can snipe after a fashion but it is also partially controlled by G&G’s opponent and what they set on their bench. Case in point was a mention on this board of playing Luvdisk to attract the attack away from Delcatty.

Therefore a big part of G&G is deckbuilding ... choosing a way to give yourself more control in whatever the day’s meta is ... and playskill. You need to understand what your opponent is going to do and anticipate future moves in order to keep as much control of your own attacks and powers as possible. Both of these can be quite hard at times.
 
Obviously there are differnet GaG lists. Thats what seperates the eh GaG player from the good one. Getting up fast is key and thats where the differences lie and where more top cuts happen. There is some decision making needed in GaG, like choicing which supporter is most benifical right now and which attack to do, but there is far less skill then most decks in this format.
 
So far all I'm reading is a bunch of back-and-forth, and nothing is being established. The opposition (aka Gallade haters) have conceded that the skill level is dependent on the skill of the actual player, and ergo, their build. But I must ask; isn't that obvious? So far nothing has been presented except this alleged standard that one must break to achieve "great gallade player" rank. If all you have to say is that "n00bs" will play less skillfully...so what? That applies to any deck,
 
The problem is, Gardy takes skill to play it well, but in some matches, it doesn't take skill to win because you win just because of the broken cards.

Last weekend, I played against someone who used standard G&G/Absol decklist and he made LOTS of mistakes, like Sonic-Blading an active Blaziken PK with 2 reatreat and almost no possibility to attack next turn (had to discard the Scramble in order to attack the turn before), or like using Bring Down to a benched Torchic (it had two energy attached, but this didn't matter because there was another one with energy and I had energy acceleration) instead of beating the active Delcatty ex with a backup Gallade for two Prizes. In addition, I really thought he didn't know about how powerful Psychic Lock would be against my deck. I lost by timeout at the end because I had a really bad start, but I could have won that game if there would be more time. In another game I saw how that player used bring down to the active Pokémon while he had a DRE on his hand and could have used Psychic lock - the opponent only had supporting Pokémon like Claydol left and would lose for sure if he did. But at the end that player went 4-1, using a standard meta deck he obviously wasn't familiar with.


@ Yoshi

Hannover wasn't the biggest CC in Germany, Stuttgart had 65 players with >30 in Masters and average player skill was similar. ;)
 
Of course it goes back and forth cuz people have their own opinions and feel strongly about them.G&G is just another deck that is played and can be beating,so who cares if its a noob deck,if you know how to play your deck,if G&G or not,then who cares.Thats how I feel.
 
Gallade is a good deck in the hands of a noob, but a broken deck in the hands of an experienced player. It doesn't need skill to win a match of two, but it does need skill to win tournaments.
 
Absoltrainer said:
OK seems like what I said was taken out of context.

When I say GG is an "Anybody's deck" I do not mean it does not take skill. If you read my earliar posts, you would see that.

However if you give the deck to a noob, he can use it and do ok with it.
Give destiny or absolutions to a noob. They won't do well with it.

GG works a lot like metanite worked. Anybody can successfuly use the deck. But to use the deck right and to use it right everytime. To master the deck takes time and skill.
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I agree!!!...kinda:thumb:
 
I think G&G takes skill. The people who usally say a deck takes no skilll to play it are people who can't build it or can't beat it.
 
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^ and ^^ I agree.

GG takes more skill to play it to its FULL POTENTIAL than many people think. Yes, a n00b could play it, but they would most likely not play it RIGHT. Do I want an early gardy and get setup while screwing their pokepowers, or do I want to get an early gallade and start OHKOing them? There are a lot of questions like that that take skill to play the deck right and win. GG can change its strategy depending on the game and it takes skill to know HOW to play it so that you can win.

OK my brain has sort of stopped, but yeah...
 
Spoinxx said:
plz stop destryoin my eyes with dat oogly avetar mayn. look i got problemz aight i caint type fo nottin and i got troubl wit spellin and all dat. im sorry all you people got an education or whatreve but i didn. not as good neaway, so lay off you dun even kno who i am
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