Graceful Phoenix

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  1. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    Graceful Phoenix

    Pokemon: 11

    4 Ho-Oh

    3 Togepi
    1 Togetic
    3 Togekiss

    Trainers 29

    "T2 Fishing Engine"
    4 Great Ball
    4 Quick Ball
    2 Dusk Ball
    3 PokeNav
    4 Pokedex
    4 Steven' Advice
    2 NIght Maintenance
    1 TSD
    2 Windstorm
    3 Rare Candy

    Energy: 20
    3 Psychic
    4 Fire
    3 Fighting
    3 Electric
    3 Grass
    2 Dark
    2 Holon FF

    Simple idea of Starting with a Ho-Oh Active and using the Fishing Engine to get out Togekiss asap! Burn the Great Ball on Ho-oh and Togepi and then Quick Ball should set you up with good chance of getting what you need!

    With the Fast Deck thinning happening and the small hand do to Togekiss getting the nrg where they need to be, top decking should be relatively easy for PokeNav and Pokedex!

    The Chance of hitting heads on those Phoenix Turns helps prolong the life of Ho-Oh and this is where TSD comes into play! Once one gets KOed, TSD it back then evo to Kiss again to reload it after using the Night Maintenance!

    It is a risky deck with going for only 1 Togetic to limit the chances of Quick Ball hitting something other than Kiss, but it just might do the trick!

    Holon FF is a Tech card so I went for 3 in here! With all this Fire running around, someone is bound to get those Empoleon back out of the binder! X2 Weakness hurts so FF is a must IMHO!

    So there you go!! Graceful Phoenix! Hope you like it and keep thinking outside the Box!!
    ~Prof. Fish~
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2008
  2. Skull Bash

    Skull Bash New Member

    I like it a lot. Maybe you want to consider SSU? I'd probably also run a couple more types of basic energy just to be able to do that extra 40 damage. But only about 1 of each.
     
  3. Ultra Upaa

    Ultra Upaa New Member

    I like the creativity and it seems like a very nice deck, my only worry is if anyone in your area plays Hurricane or Empoleon. You may want to put in 1 more holon ff.:thumb:
     
  4. kristi

    kristi New Member

    Amazing T2 deck!!!... however i would add garchomp- he is perfect for this deck especially in late game.:biggrin:
     
  5. Ra2xse

    Ra2xse New Member

    Why 3 and 3 and3 ? Ho-Oh hit's 20 for each diffrent energy so lets give it all 8 diffrent...
    Do it like this, then Ho-Oh can hit 160, in your version only 100.

    4 Fire
    2 Psychic
    2 Fighting
    2 Electric
    2 Grass
    2 Water
    1 Darkness
    1 Metal
    3 Holon FF

    Also try in 1-2 Mantine dtas beacuse they'll get basik energys top of your deck before togekiss... Otherways... I'd say taht yoou shuld use 4x Rowan and 4x Professor Oak's Research even if you waned to counter Gardevoir, Gardy doesn't really like those 2...

    Play it like this:
    4 Ho-Oh
    3-1-3 Togekiss

    1 Plusle
    1 Minum
    =13
    Supporters:
    4x POR/TGW
    4x Rowan
    =8+13=21
    Trainers:
    4x Great Ball
    4x Quick Ball
    2x Dusk Ball
    4x Pokedex
    1x TSD=(only one TSD/NM because Ho-OH got a POWER and energys you'll have back whit Plusle)
    2x Windstorm
    3x Candy
    =20+21=41
    Energys:
    3x FF
    2x Fire (only 2 because Plusle will get it back)
    2x Grass
    2x Water
    2x Psychic
    2x Lighting
    2x Fighting
    2x Darkness
    2x Metal
     
  6. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    I like this deck idea. If you can get out Togekiss quickly enough, Ho-Oh becomes a very powerful basic with a chance at reviving. Pretty cool.

    Maybe some Celio's? I know how the basic principles of the Fishing engine works, but Celio's guarantees you a Pokemon that you might need. Maybe Professor Birch also, since you'll be burning through your cards pretty fast.
     
  7. holoncastform

    holoncastform New Member

    very cool,ho-oh is one of my favorite pokes. also i like the name you gave the deck:thumb::thumb:
     
  8. PokeMontoya

    PokeMontoya New Member

    lati-lockmaybe if fossils come and get popular
     
  9. Rashad

    Rashad New Member

    how bout 1 or 2 sableye cg other than that the list looks good
     
  10. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    I like the concept, but I've been playing through a couple hands on appr, and I <3 4-2 Furret in here. It's AMAZING. It single-handedly sets up a Kiss for a possible turn 2 Ho-oh. Not to mention Sentret is a Pokedex with 60 HP.

    Try it. You'll LOVE it.
     
  11. kristi

    kristi New Member

    Thanks for posting such a great deck! i built it and i love it! try 2 of each basic energy and 2 mantine d
     
  12. Rambo1000

    Rambo1000 New Member

    i dont know how the fish engine works since i havent tested it, but try a 2-2-1 delcatty line and 2 mantine d for an even faster set up.
     
  13. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    For those that keep suggesting Mantine d:

    The reasons for not using it is Magmortar, Empoleon, Lucario, Ray Ex d and any other Sniping Card in the format, and there are plenty of them!

    Mantine doesn't really assist except for that 1 nrg it can guarantee you! I would rather put 3 in with Maintenance and increase my odds of Serene Grace hitting those than the guarantee of 1. Whereas that 1 could be the difference in attacking or not, if you need that, it is time to reconsider your deck mechanic!

    The Furret ides is nice, but with Quick Ball, your decreasing your possibilities of hitting a needed Pokemon ntm taking away 6 valued spaces.

    There are a few ideas I have taken into consideration here and keep others coming.. as long as it isn't Mantine D :wink:

    ~Prof. Fish~
     
  14. The_Lurb

    The_Lurb New Member

    Have you considered trying a tech mewtwo* or mew*? Mewtwo* can pull out that surprise OHKO on Gallade and Gardevoir. Mew* Would be useful since you play many different energy types and an energy accelerator. I would also make sure to use every tpe of basic energy to increase Ho-oh's max. damage.
     
  15. Rayquaza14

    Rayquaza14 New Member

    Yeah I also agree with a Mew* d tech, and 3-4 Psychic energies (for those gardylades^^).

    But the deck itself is awesome !!!
     
  16. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    Could I get some more suggestions on this. Modified the list a bit to add more damage!

    Thanks!
     
  17. PkmnManiac

    PkmnManiac New Member

    Um.......would Master Ball be ok to sub for Quick Ball?
     
  18. Kimppa

    Kimppa New Member

    Look at Skittles. The deck. I ran it yesterday. i Went 3-0 :D Few player few rounds..
     
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