Kecleon vs. Pokemon EX

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Mr. Grass, Sep 8, 2003.

  1. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    Here's the text of Kecleon's PokeBody
    Energy Variation - Kecleon's type is the same as every type of basic Energy card attached to Kecleon.

    So if Kecleon has a Grass and Lightning energy attached it is a Grass and Lightning Type. So here's a few questions and what I think.

    1. What if Kecleon attacks a Pokemon EX that has two weakness, like Kabutops Ex (weak to Grass and Lightning)?
    I figure that the attack would only do double damage since the rules don't say anything about a weakness for each type, but I just want to bring the idea up.
    2. What if a Kecleon with a Fire and Water energy attached attacked a pokemon that is weak to Fire and Resistant to Water?
    I think this would probably just follow the old rules of applying Weakness first then resistance, again it's just something I'd like to point out before it comes up in a tourney situation.
     
  2. dkates

    dkates New Member

    On the second scenario, I agree with you. On the first, there are two possibilities. One is that it only does double damage. The other, which I tend to think would be the case, is that the damage would be doubled twice, for a grand total multiplier of 4. Ouch!
     
  3. DaytonGymLeader

    DaytonGymLeader New Member

    I agree with 2, but disagree with 1.

    The symbols just show what it is weak/resistant to, not how weakness/resistance is applied.
     
  4. vincent0906

    vincent0906 New Member

    1. What if Kecleon attacks a Pokemon EX that has two weakness, like Kabutops Ex (weak to Grass and Lightning)?
    I figure that the attack would only do double damage since the rules don't say anything about a weakness for each type, but I just want to bring the idea up.
    <<<
    If you do 40 to kabutop EX originally in this case, multiply it by 4
    It's because Kecleon is now both grass and lighting type.


    2. What if a Kecleon with a Fire and Water energy attached attacked a pokemon that is weak to Fire and Resistant to Water?
    I think this would probably just follow the old rules of applying Weakness first then resistance, again it's just something I'd like to point out before it comes up in a tourney situation.
    <<<
    Apply weakness first then resistance.

    remarks:
    The next set : EX Dragon will release some Dragon Pokemon that have two resistance, for example, Flydon has both Lighting and Fighting Resistance.
    In this case, if a Kecleon which fighting and lighting energy attached to attack Flydon, reduce that damage by 60.
     
  5. babayaga

    babayaga New Member

    In the GB Game, attacks do quadruple damage when the Pokémon has two weakness against that type. The example given in the Nintendo R&S Guide is "Grass type attacks do quadruple damage against a Rock and Ground Type Pokémon".

    There has been some precedent for TCG play following the basic principles of the GB games, e.g. the current retreat rules. The cards work a little differently (the attack type depends on the type of the attacking Pokémon, rather than being determined individually) but the meta rule is attacks by a Pokémon are attacks of the type of the attacking Pokémon.

    Then attacks by a Kecleon with a Grass and Lightning Energy attached are Grass and Electric Type and would do quadruple damage to a Wailord-ex. Unless, of course, we hear otherwise from the new MTs. ;) And then we'll have to figure out a new weakness/resistance paradigm.
     
  6. P_A

    P_A Active Member

    I realize Nintendo is making the rules changes to simulate the electronic game, but that doesn't follow that they will make it so in this case. Seems a little strange to do 4X the damage to an ex, but if that is how it will work, Kecleon will be a very popular card indeed.
     
  7. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Indeed. And since only ex Pokemon have two Weaknesses, that loophole may have been intentional, in order to further balance ex Pokemon against other Pokemon. BTW, what is Kecleon's attack?
     
  8. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    I'm not entirely sure about the quadruple multiplyer. In the rulebook it states that if the defending pokemon has a weakness to the attacking pokemon then you double the damage. It has never mentioned anything about checking for multiple weaknesses.
     
  9. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Why should they have? Kecleon is the first, and so far only Pokemon that is capable of having more than one type at a time.
     
  10. EXRules

    EXRules New Member

    Is there a new rulebook in the EX:SS theme decks? If so, look in those.
     
  11. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    We don't need Kecleon to counter the Ex's. Sandstorm's Wobuffet will do that task nicely!

    The double weakness question needs a ruling. Until told otherwise I'd stick with the existing way of applying weakness and resistance: double ONCE if weak, Take off 30 if resistant. The double weakness just makes it more likely that you will be weak rather than increasing that potential weakness to Quadrupled.
     
  12. P_A

    P_A Active Member

    Agreed, until we get a ruling giving specifics, it's better to stick to the tried and true method of determining damage.
     
  13. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    Yeah, that was my original thought since the rules say to double damage if weak to and not double damage for each weakness.
     

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