smacktack15
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Kingdra was good but, when Gallade came out Kingdra sort of went -_- byebye
Kingdra EX Swarm: Over Looked; or Under Achieving?
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HornetsBasketballFan
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Sorry, I dont have all the time in the world like you. I felt I should respond, but I couldnt type anything out. See, I have a job.
And at this point you need a PERFECT set-up for this to be an option. You have to have the Lvl.X AND a Fire. Which I'm not saying thats hard. But to say that as a garrentee you cant do.
Except thats it not. For one, answer a few questions.
1) Have you tested this or are you speaking outta your ass? Cause if its that latter, I'm not taking ANYTHING you say seriously right now.
2) Explain to me how Bench Damage even effects kingdra...Oh wait...
3) I can replace my attacker just as fast. Please not that even though yes, you can firestarter, unless you get a God start, I'll be powering up behind me at all times.
I would also like to point out that OHKOing Kingdra is no small feat, as much as you make it out to be.
Thats all I feel like typing. I could type alot more, but I just got off work, and I dont feel like it right now.
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Yes, trust me I would. If you dont your not very bright.
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This is the most ignorant post I've EVER seen. 'OMGZ! ITS TEH EX! ITS OLDZ!! ITS TEH SUXOURZ NOAZ!!!!11'
No. Not quite. Delcatty EX is still widely played. Hey whats that and the end of the name? Oh yea, EX.
Unown G does EXACTLY what WP+Water does. So I'm rather confused by this post. And btw, Gallade has nothing on Kingdra. Even if they DO do Sonic Blade(This is the one that puts it down to 50 right?) then that last 50 is hard when I have enev 3 Kingdra;s Out while Abusing Buffer Peices and Leftovers.
If you think its slow, then you didnt play it right. Its easily outspeeds GG and Fire TRUK.
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Weedler
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Delcatty is not used for the same purpose as kingdra.
It an occasional attacker, yes. But is used more for free retreat/semi-useful power and the occasional upstream when you need to hit hard for 1 energy.
Ex's aren't totally out of the metagame, but only the ones who are used for 'support' have a change of making top-tier decks.
It an occasional attacker, yes. But is used more for free retreat/semi-useful power and the occasional upstream when you need to hit hard for 1 energy.
Ex's aren't totally out of the metagame, but only the ones who are used for 'support' have a change of making top-tier decks.
This will be fun...
I setup much easier than you do. And if you don't think that I will have setup by the time you do, then you are beyond naive
*sigh* if I must...
Why bother testing against a patheticly weak deck? I know I can easily beat it with next to no effort.
100 damage done to a Kingdra will effect him. I know you are smarter than that.
You can replace your Stage Two EX as fast as I replace my Stage One pokemon.
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Lets pretend this is Fairyland where impossible things come true, just so I can obliterate this excuse for an arguement.
Even if you can (and you can't), I can take your Kingdra down in 2 hit maximum every time, same as how many it takes to take me down. I win in that exchange of blows.
Yes, it is. I even told you how easy it is
Flipping one prize takes you down when you have three Kingdra out. Don't make me laugh.
No, it doesn't. If you are trying to make another sudo-Claydol ex thread, you are failing. Miserably.
I setup much easier than you do. And if you don't think that I will have setup by the time you do, then you are beyond naive
*sigh* if I must...
Why bother testing against a patheticly weak deck? I know I can easily beat it with next to no effort.
100 damage done to a Kingdra will effect him. I know you are smarter than that.
You can replace your Stage Two EX as fast as I replace my Stage One pokemon.
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Lets pretend this is Fairyland where impossible things come true, just so I can obliterate this excuse for an arguement.
Even if you can (and you can't), I can take your Kingdra down in 2 hit maximum every time, same as how many it takes to take me down. I win in that exchange of blows.
Yes, it is. I even told you how easy it is
Flipping one prize takes you down when you have three Kingdra out. Don't make me laugh.
No, it doesn't. If you are trying to make another sudo-Claydol ex thread, you are failing. Miserably.
Professor Elm
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3-4x Crystal Beach and 2-3x Unown G could easily make the deck nearly unstoppable.
The only thing that I don't like is that it's gonna be OHKO'd by Gallade usually.
3x Pinsir d
3x Pachirisu/(2x Pachirisu, 1x Pinsir d OR 4x Pach 2x Pinsir)
4-2-4x King ex
1-1x Fearow d
1-1x Milotic d
3x Unown G (GODLY in this format)
4x Crystal Beach
Fishing Engine
THAT could very well work and do well.
chriscobi634
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this has been another Back and Forth episode brought to you by Pokegym, thanks for reading and see you next time. We will debate how Kingdra Ex D is any different from Flygon Ex (PK).
Chromecatz
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im PRAYING TO GOD, that you were joking.
Shadow Zangoose
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You and me both...
HornetsBasketballFan
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Pathetic Deck? You obvously have no way of saying this with out testing it one time. There for everything you have said I'm not taking serious.
And one a side note, by damage spread, I was talking strictly of Magmortars 2nd attack. 100 to anything isnt spread, especially since you 'cant' use it next turn.
And also, this is Just as much, if not more potential than your Flygon EX 'Br0k3n' deck. And Claydol was something that on paper was a great idea. But After a CRAP load of testing, ultimatly failed.
Almost. I've found Stanler is the best starter with a Thick 4/3/4 line and a 2-2 Claydol for Stet-up/draw.
No. I wasnt. 2 Stage 2 is MUCH easier than 2 Stage2's and 2 Stage 1's. But please prove me wrong.
Darkwalker
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While they have the same effect, they are not the same. Windstorm can easily remove an Unown G just before Sonic Blade to swap your attacker and knock it down to 50 HP. But the easiest counter to Water + Holon WP is ER2, which requires a flip. G&G doesn't usually pack ER2; but most have, and certainly will in the future, Windstorm simply because Unown G exists.
HornetsBasketballFan
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The problem with this is that GG Dont really know to what extint Unwon G will be played. So while yes, Windstorm will be played, I cant see anything more than 2 as of now.
Darkwalker
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Just on the general concept of Unown G being a potential problem, I would expect a 3/1 Windstorm/Warp Point at States if not max Windstorm and find room for a Warp Point or two. People are also correctly realizing Crystal Beach slows down G&G, which is another good reason to increase the amount of Windstorm used in the deck. So far, in the testing I have done, Dragonite Ex d is the best recipient for Unown G, since it can eliminate the whole Windstorm issue. The only problem with Draggy Ex d is the same problem it had before, not doing enough damage to make it an effective attacker.
ToysRUsKid
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Go ahead play Kingdra, it'll be fun sitting at table 26 playing DP Theme decks.
Feel free to not take it seriously. I don't force people to take my adice about their decks, especially when they are as bad an idea as this. I mean, I have to get my points from SOMEWHERE....
Why would I bother spreading damage? You are using ex's with mediocre damaging attacks. Fool, I'm not going to spread damage, I'm going to kill you.
It has far less potential than Flygon ex. Here's why:
1. Flygon reduces damage by himself. Even if I don't get the Kingdra's out quickly, -40 is nothing to laugh at.
2. I have resistance to Gallade. That means even if I get nailed by a Sonic Blade, even with no Kingdra's out, he needs to flip 3 prizes to take me out. Even with 4 Kingdras, two prizes is all it takes for you to go down in flames after a Sonic Blade.
3. Failed? lol, after extensive testing, a way around decking myself was discovered and put into the deck.
Don't even try compating your excuse of a deck to mine, I'm actually bieng realistic on my thread. I have ADMITED that Magmortar can deal more damage than I can prevent. And considering how Flygon's defences are vastly superior to Kingdra's, that means you go down even easier. Grow up and face the facts, Kingdra doesn't deal enough damage OR prevent enough damage to make it even worth doing more than looking at it, blowing your nose on it, then ripping it in half and throwing it away.
HornetsBasketballFan
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Yea, beacuse all ideas that you feel done work are going to fail. Great Logic!
You mentionded spreading damage. Wanna me to go back and quote? May I misread it, but I'm pretty sure YOU brought that one up/
Kingdra definatly does not have 'far less' potential. Again, how can you say this without even putting i on Apprentace where it does ~30 Min IS that.
To number 3) I was definaatly talking about Claydol. See:
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chriscobi634
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i said it once and i'll say it again you guys need to stop with the BaF stuff. And SPARTA, could you please explain to me how Kingdra Ex D is any different from Flygon Ex (PK).
Please don't state the obvious facts to me, I'm not a noob. Like Flygon Ex can discard from the hand to prevent damage. Well Kingdra Ex can start hitting earliar setting up for the 2HKO. We could go back and forth saying this and that about the pros and cons of each card. But there is no need for that.
Basically you just made your look like even a bigger jerk and hypocrite then before. How can you say a card is bad when you are using it in your Flygon Ex?
Here is another fun fact i think you would have realized when you said that Magmortar can hit the Kingdra Ex for 100: the damage is also reduced on the bench.
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Let Fire Fall
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Is this even a serious thread? Kingdra just isn't good lol.
There's no reason this should have gone more than a couple posts. Kingdra doesn't beat anything and it loses to everything. End of discussion.
There's no reason this should have gone more than a couple posts. Kingdra doesn't beat anything and it loses to everything. End of discussion.
HornetsBasketballFan
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Please so proof. Because I know for a FACT that this is not a true statement.
And I would like to say SPARTA, I want you do know that in anyway is anything in disresepect to you. I think you are a great player(from what I've read) and you know this game. We just have different opinions.
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