Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Luxray GL/ Garchomp C

Overall it's a good article, and will help people who don't understand Luxchomp.

My only problem with it, is that I think this list has a really bad SP matchup. 2-2 Garchomp is risky, especially when your only other counter relies on them not having any energy left after a Dragon Rush. Toxicroak G Promo isn't that effective in the mirror, because it's so easy to play around it with Luxray X. Roserade GL, Energy Exchanger, Dragonite FB are all cards that this list could benefit from to help that problem.
 
himynameis: Thanks!

almighty: You have been told :D

jjkl: Fixed

nnaann: Actually I don't understand. This list almost ALWAYS gets the turn 2 Dragon Rush PLUS board control. And there will be more techs as I find more time.

E4A: Similar to VileGar matchup. BR Plume up, DR gengar, then use second Luxray X on bringing up lostgar and KO it with Flash Impact.
 
It really doesn't.

Anyway, this is a decent article. New players want to know what Luxchomp, then this does a pretty good job of telling them.

3-1 Chomp is better though ;)
 
Thank you, I just posted 2-2 Garchomp C as even if it isnt as good in the mirror, I feel it is better all around.
 
Thedrone1man said:
There are a few things I have noticed with this article.

#1: The grammar in this article is terrible. I'm not trying to be mean, but seriously, you have to try to have grammar like this. When you write a sentence with parenthesis, you should put the comma AFTER the parenthesis, not before. I don't really care if your native language isn't English, you seem to have wrote this article, so you should have some basic concepts of grammar, and the general idea of the English language. This is just one example of the bad grammar in this article, but you get the idea.

#2: In your list of techs, you say Dragonite FB is a mere tech. Do you realize that Dragonite FB one-shots about 99% of all basic SP pokemon, as well as killing the most important SP Lv.X in the game? I guess not, because Ambipom must be "SO BROKE". Dragonite and Ampibom should switch places in this article.

Also, Ditto? Really? What POSSIBLE use would Ditto have? Oooo, it is "brilliant" in the Vilegar matchup? Ever heard of Luxray Gl.X and Uxie X? Yeah, THATS how you win that matchup, not with Ditto.

Also, MR.MIME? REALLY? REALLY??? You want to reveal your hand so you may or may not know if your opponent has a supporter so you can use Portrait? Really? You want to put an extra pokemon in your deck so that you can tech for Smeargle, a tech, to try and increase consistency. This is an awful tech. You aren't playing Lostgar, you're playing Luxchomp.

Also, Chatot? Do you know that this is the 2011 season? Chatot was used last season, not this one. I'm not arguing that the card isn't good, I'm saying it isn't used in Luxchomp anymore. You really need to work on this kinda thing before you post another one, I'm sorry.
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Unless you've been living under a Steelix, I think you should know why Mr. Mime is good.
Benifits:
Against LostGar. You: Hmmm, is it safe to keep this Uxie in my hand for a turn, or will he evolve to Gengar prime and lost zone it? Well, I don't use Mr. Mime so i'll never know!
Opponent: *Drops down Gengar prime lost zones your Poke`mon then next turn drops lost world for game*.

This is one of the possible situations Mr. Mime could really help you. Remember, it's just an example and i'm sure there are better ones.
 
chrataxe said:
So, are we talking about Lostgar or Vilegar? Call me crazy, but I thought you were supposed to be Lost Zoning stuff...I'm not really sure how fainting spell affects that...IF Gengar SF is active, then there is no lost zoning.
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If you are playing a straight Lostgar build, you are going to lose most of your games.

For successful Lostgar playstyle see ECC and Andceo.
 
Kayle said:
If you are playing a straight Lostgar build, you are going to lose most of your games.

For successful Lostgar playstyle see ECC and Andceo.
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That isn't a LostGar deck. It's HybridGar. Or EuroGar, as I've been starting to call it.
 
Blitzer said:
himynameis: Thanks!

almighty: You have been told :D

jjkl: Fixed

nnaann: Actually I don't understand. This list almost ALWAYS gets the turn 2 Dragon Rush PLUS board control. And there will be more techs as I find more time.

E4A: Similar to VileGar matchup. BR Plume up, DR gengar, then use second Luxray X on bringing up lostgar and KO it with Flash Impact.
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Thanks, now i'll be sure to add plenty of warp energy to my states deck. :p
 
Blitzer said:
nnaann: Actually I don't understand. This list almost ALWAYS gets the turn 2 Dragon Rush PLUS board control. And there will be more techs as I find more time.
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You basically need access to at least 2 Garchomp C at all time. If you bench one at a time, it's likely the opponent will snipe that, and you're left with nothing the next turn. My problem with 2-2 Garchomp is that, once a Garchomp C goes down, it relies alot on recovery cards to get it back quickly.

The only way to get around that problem, is to add Ambipom G and Dragonite FB in my opinion. Dragonite FB can't be played around, but Ambipom G gives you an option by not needing a DCE to return the KO. I think because of those reasons, you really need to play both to have a decent shot. Roserade is also so underrated in Luxchomp, and considering you run 2-2 Luxray, it's definately worth playing.

Turn 2 Dragon Rush is good, but I think you'd lose board control pretty easily after that. I don't mean this to sound arrogant, but I think if this list is doing OK in the SP mirror, you're not playing against very good opponents. I'm guessing this because you've naturally altered your list to focus on non SP match ups which you did find problems with, meaning the SP players you play against don't give you many problems for you to tech more against them.
 
Well actually, this list isn't my exact list as stated. The list shown is meant to be VERY basic and for the absolute beginner. I would recommend playing Draggy and Pom if you really have an issue with beating SP(my actual list runs Draggy). I feel that a 2-2 Chomp can beat PS relatively easy if played correctly and safely.

And to further strengthen my statement, I playtest against skilled Oregon Masters and Seniors who are highly ranked. Most have had various accomplishments on a very high level.
 
Elite_4_Allen said:
Unless you've been living under a Steelix, I think you should know why Mr. Mime is good.
Benifits:
Against LostGar. You: Hmmm, is it safe to keep this Uxie in my hand for a turn, or will he evolve to Gengar prime and lost zone it? Well, I don't use Mr. Mime so i'll never know!
Opponent: *Drops down Gengar prime lost zones your Poke`mon then next turn drops lost world for game*.

This is one of the possible situations Mr. Mime could really help you. Remember, it's just an example and i'm sure there are better ones.
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Really? You want Lostgar to see what is in your hand? If you see what Lostgar has in their hand, you probably forgot that Lostgar can see whats in YOUR HAND. Who cares if you can keep an Uxie in your hand. If you have to play a tech in Luxchomp to see Lostgar's hand to decide whether or not to keep a pokemon in your hand, then you are playing wrong. The entire way to beat Lostgar is to NEVER have a pokemon in your hand. You play the ENTIRE match like they can get a Gengar each and every turn. You don't run a pokemon to "predict" what they can do. This is one of the poorest excuses for defending Mr.Mime. I'm sorry, but seriously. Please don't try to defend bad techs in decks that don't need them. Saying Mr.Mime is good in Luxchomp is like saying Tyranitar is good in Sablelock, because Sablelock runs special darkness energies.

I can't post a link, but go on Pokebeach and read an article called State of States: An article on the upcoming meta. Thedrone1man(*gasp* me!) is the guy who wrote it. I know what I'm talking about, and sadly, you do not.
 
I know plenty about what I'm talking about. For you to say I don't is ridiculous. I spent months testing LuxChomp and have done quite well. You said Chatot and Ditto aren't used at all, which is 100% untrue. You obviously don't know everything.
 
Then you are testing the wrong ideas. If testing Mr.Mime works for you, then you are testing the wrong deck. Chatot and Ditto are used, but they AREN'T USED IN LUXCHOMP. Using a Nidoqueen tech in one deck may not work in another, get it? Chatot and Ditto are great cards and techs for consistency or mirror in some decks(like Ditto in Gyarados), but they don't work in others.
 
Mime works in certain scenarios, I can't say I have used it a lot, but I really do like it. Chatot is used in lots of SP lists and Ditto is used as a VileGar, Garchomp C, and sometimes Sableye. I PMed you the rest.

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Contrary to popular belief, Mime is not a good tech :p. I believe it is, but, a bit complicated I suppose, so I am going to remove it from the article.
 
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