New Age Sponge (Unlimited): Need fixes for tomorrow's tourney

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  1. wilhung53

    wilhung53 New Member

    Hello all,
    Let's get to the deck here:

    Mewchu (my version)

    Pokemon (10):
    2x Mewtwo ex
    3x Cleffa (NG)
    1x Ditto (Fossil)
    1x Tyrogue (Smash Punch)
    1x Elekid
    2x Magby (NG)

    Trainers (40):
    4x CPU Search
    4x Item Finder
    4x Prof. Oak
    3x Pluspower
    2x Misty's Wrath
    1x Gust of Wind
    1x Double Gust
    2x Focus Band
    2x Scoop Up
    2x Energy Removal
    3x Super Energy Removal
    2x Resistance Gym
    1x Chaos Gym
    2x Lass
    3x Rocket's Sneak Attack
    1x Pokemon Nurse
    1x Town Volunteers

    Energies (10):
    7x Psychic
    3x Recycle Energies

    This is a deck idea from Pojo message boards. The goal is to use Mewtwo ex to overpower all opponents. I am familiar with the opposition (decks that I fear):

    1x Slowking - Sneasel
    1x Sneasel deck with Babies and Wobbuffet (Safeguard)
    4+ Raindance decks
    1x Old School Haymaker
    1x Sneasel deck with Clefable and Ditto (very unhealthy for me)
    1x Muk / Scyther / Clefable

    - No Pichu's are ran in my league.

    I know I would want to substitute the Magby's with Pichu's (NG) when I get them. I also may take out the Elekid or Ditto for a third Mewtwo ex. However, I'm not guranteed to acquire those cards before the tourney. With these things in mind, please give this deck a good fix.
     
  2. eauxmar

    eauxmar New Member

    -3 Rocket's Sneak Attack
    -1 Resistance Gym

    +2 Oracle
    +2 Bill

    This will serve as a double computer search. Play oracle then bill you draw the two cards. Hope this helps.
     
  3. jesschow12

    jesschow12 New Member

    -2x Misty's Wrath
    -2x focus band
    -3x Rocket's Sneak Attack
    -1x Double Gust

    +4x goldberry
    +1 tyrogue
    +2 gust of wind
    +1 psychic energy
     
  4. Rep13

    Rep13 New Member

    Go with jesschow12's suggestion and lose the Elekid for a Pichu. By the way are you the real William Hung, because if so I'm I huge fan.
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2004
  5. wilhung53

    wilhung53 New Member

    Yes, I am from American Idol. I don't have time to post often, but as CCs and States come around, I'll be posting more ideas.
     
  6. MountainDewSnorter

    MountainDewSnorter New Member

    hmm IMPOSTER!! illl have my budy Thunderboltzz at Berkley check you out
     
  7. OHB

    OHB Member

    you call some one an imposter when he didn't even tell who he was in the begin ok he is realy william hung how i know i when to the league i saw this the day he post it seems kinda odd to put unlimited so i checked it out i saw his deck at the league and it was clearly the same and he was asking around for mewtwo ex as it he stated that he might not get one he did win the tourny you can ask nick15 if he is william hung cuz nick is the gym leader at our league
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2004
  8. Tyranitar666

    Tyranitar666 New Member

    I believe he is too. I saw his tournament report on Pojo from the STS in California in 2001. He used Blaines RK9 Entei I believe. Either way, welcome to the boards, and lets see what I can do in the way of a deck fix for you. I'll be honest and say its been AGES since I have played Unlimited/Standard though. This may be a bit choppy :p

    Pokemon(10):
    3x Mewtwo ex
    3x Cleffa (NG)
    2x Tyrogue (Smash Punch)
    2x Magby (NG)

    Trainers (41):
    4x CPU Search
    4x Item Finder
    3x Prof. Oak
    1x Copycat
    1x Professor Elm
    2x Pluspower
    1x Gust of Wind
    1x Double Gust
    2x Focus Band
    3x Scoop Up
    4x Energy Removal
    4x Super Energy Removal
    2x Resistance Gym
    1x Chaos Gym
    2x Lass
    2x Rocket's Sneak Attack
    1x Pokemon Center
    1x Town Volunteers

    Energies (11):
    9x Psychic
    2xRecycle Energies

    Alrighty, a few changes to the deck that I will discuss real quick. First off, Ditto is useful to counter Sneasel mainly, but without Double Colorless Energy it is less effective. Especially with your lower basic count. So he gets the drop. Tyrogue gets upped a bit as he covers your bases vs Chansey, Clefable, Wigglytuff, and the like with Psy Resistance since most have weakness to fighting. Pluspower is best used vs Sneasel with a Res Gym in play as well, so Mewtwo can hold its own in that situation. 3 Plus Power is overkill with 4 Item Finder IMO, so I dropped 1 for space. I upped the Mewtwo count as well as it is the main source off offense for you short of say, Tyrogue, so you would be risky running only 1. I upped the Psychic Energy count as well, as the deck would be much stronger if you get a turn 1 Mewtwo off say, a Computer Search, and soak it up. Scoop Up also got increased as sponging with that is just wicked. I upped the ER and SER count to 4 a piece as a major aspect of what makes Sponge so good is that it utterly denies them energy and is effectively immune to any energy removal they run themselves. To not run 4 of each is to waste huge potential. I usually do not run Focus Band myself due to my bad flips, but I left them in as they are effective. I changed the Pokemon Nurse to a Pokemon Center, but thats a debatable fix as well. Its really up to you on that one. I am also unsure on Magby, and usually I prefer a form of Igglybuff PP prevention, but Pichu is ran heavily still so that scares me a bit. BUT I added pokemon center so you never know...

    Now you say you may or may not get Mewtwo EX and Pichu in time...keep the Magby than, and in place of the 3rd Mewtwo EX I suggested, add perhaps a MP Mewtwo from the good old days. Its not as good but its got the same principle behind it. Pokemon Fan Club is a good addition as well here. When if your tournament also? I own an extra Mewtwo EX and plenty of extra Pichu, I could possibly trade you them and send you them in the mail if you wanted.
     
  9. YoungJohn06

    YoungJohn06 New Member

    Yo, I'ma do the best I can to fix this deck.

    Pokemon (14):
    3x Mewtwo ex
    4x Cleffa (NG)
    1x Tyrogue (Smash Punch)
    2x Magby (NG)
    2x Grimer(your choice)
    2x Muk (Fossil)


    Pokemon: Drop Elekid, he's really not that good, and if for somereason someone was to put in a pichu it will kill it. Replace it with a 4th Cleffa. Replace Ditto for a Mewtwo ex. Add in a 2/2 Grimer/Muk (fossil) line. I will make room for them later.

    Trainers (34):
    4x CPU Search
    3x Item Finder
    4x Copycat
    3x Juggler
    3x Gust of Wind
    2x Focus Band
    2x Scoop Up
    3x Energy Removal
    3x Super Energy Removal
    2x Resistance Gym
    1x Chaos Gym
    3x Lass
    1x Town Volunteers

    Trainers: Change the Professor Oaks to Copycat. Drop an Item Finder, all the Mistys Wrath, and the Pokemon Nurse. Freeing up four more spots. Add in 3 Juggler and One Energy Removal... Now drop the Rocket's Sneak Attack for 1 lass and the two grimer I added in... drop double gust and plus powers... 2 plus powers will be changed for two Muk. Now add the remaining two slots to Gust Of Wind.

    Energies (12):
    9x Psychic
    3x Recycle Energies


    Energy: Simply add two psychic energy.

    Pokemon (14):
    3x Mewtwo ex
    4x Cleffa (NG)
    1x Tyrogue (Smash Punch)
    2x Magby (NG)
    2x Grimer(your choice)
    2x Muk (Fossil)

    Trainers (34):
    4x CPU Search
    3x Item Finder
    4x Copycat
    3x Juggler
    3x Gust of Wind
    2x Focus Band
    2x Scoop Up
    3x Energy Removal
    3x Super Energy Removal
    2x Resistance Gym
    1x Chaos Gym
    3x Lass
    1x Town Volunteers

    Energies (12):
    9x Psychic
    3x Recycle Energies



    You might want to find room for some switch as well. I hope this helps ya, good luck in the next tournament.
     
  10. wilhung53

    wilhung53 New Member

    Thanks for all the fixes. I did have all the cards for I need for the tournament. The metagame matters a lot. It really helped my strategy to an already powerful deck. I did win the tourney, and look forward to posting deck ideas for CC's and States. Here is the decklist I used for the tourney:

    3x Mewtwo ex
    3x Cleffa
    2x Tyrogue
    2x Pichu

    4x CPU Search
    4x Prof. Oak
    4x Item Finder
    2x ER
    3x SER
    2x Double Gust
    2x Focus Band
    2x Rocket's Sneak Attack
    2x Lass
    2x Resistance Gym
    1x Chaos Gym
    2x Misty's Wrath
    3x Pluspower
    2x Scoop Up
    2x Focus Band
    1x Pokemon Nurse
    1x Town Volunteers
    1x Goop Gas Attack

    7x Psychic
    3x Recycle Energy

    I do expect the metagame to change a bit. In any case, please continue to post fixes/suggestions to this deck.

    William Hung

    56th place in WCSTS 2001 (Over 200 participants)
    9th place in Professor Challenge 2002 (San Diego)
     
  11. TrEkIeV

    TrEkIeV New Member

    are you comming to the Los Angeles CC (Diamond Bar)?

    you'd need a modifed deck.
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2004
  12. Warbuzz

    Warbuzz New Member

    Hey, why dont you and Nick 15 come on over for our Los Angeles, CC
    Tell him I'm hosting it.

    Jerry D.
    (I'll email him later)
     
  13. Tyranitar666

    Tyranitar666 New Member

    Great job on the tournament. If you need any advice on Modified decks for the CCs and States, post and wed be glad to help. Its also really cool that you posted and didn't try and draw attention to yourself for being on American Idol.

    As for the deck, I like the Pokemon count you have, and I really like the addition of Goop Gas Attack too. Its become a very useful card. It beats Brocks Ninetales Scizor/Steelix pretty handily hehe.
     
  14. Strike

    Strike Member

    Hello, glad to see you're throwin up a cool mewtwo EX deck around. Anyways, most of the card selection looks very good, except for the lone Goop Gas attack, which seems awkward considering the efectiveness of the card itself. THere's really no pokemon powers you'll really need to be afraid of, except for Slowking's power of course and maybe on a very small extent Raindance, which Pichu should provide enough support with the right moves. Instead, I suggest something that isn't common at all in revised sponges, a trick card perhaps. Anything can do, except for goop gas attack, pokemon, trick energy card, trainer, whatever you feel like.

    Other than that the deck looks solid to me. Good luck with it.
     
  15. Tyranitar666

    Tyranitar666 New Member

    Dallas(Strike) I personally like the GGA. Do you realize what a Brocks Ninetaled Steelix would do to this dck? Yeha...plus alot of decks run PPs. Its just good and situational. Drop it down before Slowkings hit. Its not bad and gives you some speed.
     
  16. |PoKeY|

    |PoKeY| New Member

    Nice

    Nice to meet you here. I am a fan.
    I also am impressed that you aren't drawing attention from the whole show here. It shows true character.
    I also sing too, so we got some stuff in common.

    As for the deck, i like the idea. Sponge was a good deck, i used to play undergroud back in the day with ditto and promo mewtwo. I could see t using gust of win(d) instead of double gust, but i understand your logic using double gust, just incase you have another mewtwo on the bench that isnt loaded yet. Maybe getting rid of chaos gym for another psychic energy or nurse.
    Another area to fix could be the wrath's for maybe gold berrys.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2004
  17. Strike

    Strike Member

    TTAr, you kinda wonder, who play's borck's ninetails anymore? Depending on the metagame, GGA would be good for if you expected Brock's ninetails, but given the type of enviroment there is for unlimited it's highly unlikely.GGA might be good against slowking, only if you time it at the right moment, which only gives you an oppurtunity of 1 turn, which the slowking player can easily lass you away or come up with a counter strategy. And then there's the argument of a lot of pp pokemon. How many would really affect the deck to the point where sponge would need power shutdown like GGA? Slowking and D.Vileplume's power are the only ones that hurt the deck badly, and once they're down then GGA can't really help you unless you have some real good luck, so the effectiveness of GGA i believe is really doubtful.
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2004
  18. Tyranitar666

    Tyranitar666 New Member

    I use Brocks Ninetales, and in return my metagame grew into a heavily ninetales'd ( i GARUNTEE thats gramatically BUTCHERED ) one as well...
     
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