new rules? (pedants R us LOL)

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by NoPoke, Nov 26, 2003.

  1. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    Okay so I've just opened the two dragons theme decks.... FireFang completely destroys WindBlast .

    However there is no mention of the Fossil trainers cards being basics for the purposes of starting the game.

    In the glossary at the back it states.

    So are we back to the Fossil Trainers being just that? You can no longer start with a lone Fossil? Does the latest rulebook supercede the previous rulebook?
     
  2. The Dark Llama

    The Dark Llama New Member

    This might end up like Mysterious fossil, if its the only card in your hand, you can't start the game with it, because it's only a Basic while in play.
     
  3. SteveP

    SteveP Active Member

    The real question is, can you still START a fossil? Under the WOTC rulings, the last ruling was that you couldn't even start with a Fossil because it was a Trainer, and Trainers couldn't be played until your turn started.

    But, the Fossil card rule in the Dragon rulebook doesn't sound like it overturns the original ruling from Sandstorm rulebook. It'sjust explaining that you CAN'T use cards like Lanette's Net Search or Wynaut's Alluring Smile to go get a Fossil, or you CAN'T use Town Volunteers to put it back into your deck. That's how I see.

    So, I'd say you can STILL start a Fossil, whether it's the only one in your hand or not. And, I'd say if you only have Fossils in you starting hand, you STILL have a choice to mulligan. Does anyone see it different?
     
  4. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    I *realy* don't like having to use a mixture of new and old rulebooks plus the floor rules to determine how to run tournaments. Its much like the legal system where old laws are left on the statue book rather than being replealed. New laws are brought out which contradisct the earlier laws and a mess results that makes for rich lawyers.

    I agree that the glossary definition doesn't specifically overturn the Sandstorm rulebook. But if you take it at face value you would be hard pressed to say you can start with a fossil. In the Dragons rulebook it states that you must have a basic in your hand otherwise you mulligan.page 4: breakout box titled What If I Don't have a Basic Pokémon Card in My Hand?
     
  5. Porygon3

    Porygon3 New Member

    ummm? couldnt you start with a fossle on your bench or active as long as you had a basic pokemon also in play?
     
  6. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    FireFang is way way way way way way way better!

    But first thte Turkey that is WindBlast...

    WindBlast

    28 Pokemon

    2x Flygon (Air Slash)
    2x Vibrava
    4x Trapinch
    1 Roselia
    4x Nincada
    2x Ninjask
    3x Grimer
    4x Spoink
    4x Magnemite
    2x Magneton

    8 Trainers

    2x TV Reporter
    3x Energy Search
    1x Low Pressure System
    2x Baloon Berry

    24 Energy

    13x Grass
    11x Electric
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2003
  7. Flippin treeko

    Flippin treeko New Member

    Actually if the case is that you can't play fossils as basics to prevent Mull's you can't place them first turn at all no? as the rule states to place as many basics from your hand to your bench as you want and mysterious fossil only becomes a basic once played to the bench???
     
  8. NoPoke

    NoPoke New Member

    We will be allowing Fossils to be placed as though they are basics during the setup.

    We wont be following the Nintendo rulebook starting procedure for resolving muligans as it disagrees with the floor rules. But we also won't be following the floor rules exactly bacause they aren't right either. FUN FUN FUN :(

    What we will be doing is following the Wotc setup procedure with draw one card as the penalty for a muligan.

    Oh and cards that *haven't* been released in the USA will be legal in this tournament. Otherwise we have nothing but grey imports to play with!

    Look at all these rules I'm breaking LOL. If I was a TO I could get reported !

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    SteveP on page four of the latest rulebook it is very explicit that to start you choose a BASIC POKéMON CARD. The fossils aren't basic pokémon cards.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2003

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