Nidoqueen/Feraligatr/Rayquaza ex

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by rerisenphoenix, Nov 7, 2007.

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  1. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    So, I saw the classic Feraligatr d-Nidoqueen d run against me at BR's, and I got an idea. I decided to throw in Rayquaza, and came up with this:

    Pokemon 25:
    4 Totodile d
    2 Croconaw d
    4 Feraligatr d
    3 Nidoran f d
    2 Nidorina d
    3 Nidoqueen d
    3 Rayquaza ex d
    4 Holon's Castform

    Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums 20:
    4 Rare Candy
    3 Windstorm
    2 Memory Berry
    3 Holon Adventurer
    3 Bebe's Search
    4 Holon Mentor
    1 Castaway

    Energy 15:
    4 d Rainbow
    2 Double Rainbow
    2 Boost
    3 Special :metal:
    4 :lightning

    So, yeah, this is a pretty simple deck. Start with Holon's, Delta Draw 'til he dies (Or I'm set up) get out 1 or 2 Queen d's to search, grab 'til I've got at least 3 Feraligatr's. Earlier game, use Queen to beat the crud out of everything, then, late game, if it gets to a late game, quickly charge Rayquaza ex d, and, using Gatr's Rage Aura, beat down everything FTW.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2007
  2. empoleonperson

    empoleonperson Active Member

    castform donkage
    -4
    +4 Stantler
     
  3. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    Yes, he can be one-shot, but all that can T-1 OHKO him is a Mario deck, which I don't see much of, and, regardless, that's still based on a flip, so I'll take the risk.
     
  4. Phazon Elite

    Phazon Elite New Member

    You could just remove Queen and Castform, add Pinsir d and more supporters and call it a day.

    Pinsir d only gets donked by Ape, and that's fairly uncommon nowadays.

    Pinsir > Castform

    Edit: Also needs Warp Point.

    You're running WAY too many donkable Basics right now (12) You'll have far fewer (4) if you take my advice.
     
  5. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    The thing about Queen, though, is that Vengeance is awesome, and with its ability to abuse Special:metal:, as well as Battle Aura, she is too good to pass up! Plus, Pinsir let's me search one card at a time, while Holon's draws multiple cards, assuming my bench allows it, as well as providing energy.
     
  6. tc19930815

    tc19930815 New Member

    maybe some buffer pieces for nidoqueen to reduce more with metal energy and oh dear, use 4 boost!!!!

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    oh dear use 4 boost, also, use some buffer pieces to reduce more with the help of special metal energy
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2007
  7. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    Usually, I don't need boost, so no on it, however, I actually have been considering throwing in Buffer Piece, but every time I think about it, it basically changes the run of the deck from being more offensive, to defensive (Or at least that's how it seems). I only run the Special :metal:, 'cause Queen can abuse it.
     
  8. HurricaneWarty

    HurricaneWarty New Member

    You need scramble in a bad way. Scramble energy is what makes this deck run so well.

    -4 basic lightning
    +4 scramble

    You also need 4 special metals.

    -1 boost
    +1 metal (special)

    You also want 1 less Ray ex, since ex's are so fragile in this format and you don't want to get caught starting with it too much. You also want 3 Croconaw because when you're setting up using invitation, you can get those and setup more consistently and quickly.

    -1 Ray ex
    +1 Croconaw

    You also need Mentor over Rosanne's in this since you really don't want to be running any basic energy. Memory Berry is also way too situational and isn't worth it in this, the space can be better used. Castaway doesn't do you much good without tools or energy either. Use something that can get you Rayquaza that isn't a supporter (like dual ball),

    -1 Castaway
    -2 Rosanne's
    -2 Memory Berry
    +2 Mentor
    +3 Dual Ball

    Also, remember that Battle Aura doesn't help Ray when he is attacking the bench, just the active.
     
  9. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    Thanks, I'll think this over, but I am gonna do the Mentor thing at the least.
     
  10. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    This deck has been running around for a LONG time, Cut the Nidoqueen Line for Meganium δ, it is sooooo good in this deck!!!
     
  11. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    I like queen more than Meg, 'cause she searches, but has an incredible attack. All Meg really has is defense.
     
  12. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    They both do the same thing but, IMO. Meganium you get more out of it. Also, considering that there are a ton of Blissey running around, Meganium can ko it with Lake Boundary and and strength charm or Gator's power. They both are good but I really like Meganium's attack much more than Nidoqueen. Meganium>Nidoqueen!!!
     
  13. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    I was thinking about teching in a Crystal Shard, and adding in a Warp Point and/or switch. However, I don't know what I would take out.
     
  14. ryanvergel

    ryanvergel New Member

    I'd rather use a pachirisu (when he comes out) or a diff starter. Sure, delta draw is cool, but with no transceiver, no researcher, faster opponents, etc. a double weakness to fighting with 50hp as a set-up pokemon who relies on an energy attachment AND that your bench be filled with SPECIFIC pokemon.

    On top of that all, he is susceptible to TGW.
     
  15. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    you should trust him with this, he played it for A LONG time and did REALLY good with it.
     
  16. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    Pokemon 21:
    4/2/4 Gator δ
    2/1/2 Meganium δ
    2 Rayquaza ex d
    4 Tauros

    Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums 23:
    x4 Master Ball
    x2 Quick Ball
    x4 Rare Candy
    x3 Windstorm
    x2 Bebe's Search
    x3 Prof. Oak's Visit
    x1 Copy Cat
    x1 Night Mant.
    x1 TSD
    x1 Warp
    x1 Switch


    Energy 16:
    x3 DRE
    x8 Lightning
    x2 Scramble
    x3 Rainbow δ

    Theres a 2 minute list I just made up, LOL!!!!
    Meganium is the play IMO.
     
  17. kd0220437

    kd0220437 New Member

    First off this deck sucks so....I don't know why he would run it!!! LOL
     
  18. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    Ok, and IMO, Queen is better. We've already been over this.
     
  19. Vegeta ss4

    Vegeta ss4 Iron Chef Leader

    LMAO....true but, let hi find that out.
    He wants to run the deck and not take any advice from people so, oh well, Thread is DEAD!!!
     
  20. rerisenphoenix

    rerisenphoenix New Member

    Dude, I am taking advice, I'm just not going to run Meganium. I'm going to take most of HurricaneWarty's advice, I just hadn't given the deck any testruns yet. Now that I have, I'll consider all his advice, and I'll change it up some. Also, should I run any PlusPowers?
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2007
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