Nidoqueen/King

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by tglilly, Oct 29, 2007.

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  1. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    My last deck was doing good untill I lost it and I just can't find it...... so I decited to build another deck untill I can find my last one. I just thew together the cards I had from the releace and hope they do decent. I know I can't use it untill the set ofically comes out but I will just be using a friends deck untill then. Here it is....

    Pokemon
    2-Nidoqueen DF
    2-Nidoqueen MT
    1-Nidorina DF
    1-Nidorina MT
    2-Nidoran DF
    2-Nidoran(female) MT

    2-Nidoking DF
    2-Nidoking SW
    2-Nidoino DF
    4-Nidoran(male) DF

    4-Holon's Castform

    Trainers
    4-Rare Candy
    1-Scott
    2-NM
    2-Steven's Advice
    2-Professor Rowan
    2-Coppy Cat
    3-Celio;s Network
    2-TGW
    1-Pokemon Fan Club

    Energy
    4-Dark Special
    2-Dark Basic
    2-Scramble
    10-Psy

    Basicly you try to get the nidoqueens out to help lower nidokings attack so you can attack sooner. I play some delta basics so I can delta draw for a qucik hand w/castform. I don't have much from the new set yet and hope to make some more changes my self. Thanks
     
  2. Jayson

    Jayson Active Member

    Since you can use Castform as an energy, you probably only need to run 14 or so regular energy.

    -4 energy
    +1 Celio's Network
    +3 Basic searching trainers (Mentor, Great Ball, Hamana's Research)
     
  3. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    i would play 2 phobies stadium and maybe 3 double rainbow energy.
    deffenatly at least 2 mentors if your planing on starting with castform
    so i would
    -4 energy (like jayson said)
    -1 pokemon fan club (play mentor or roseannes research instead)

    +3 double rainbow
    +2 mentor
    and if you can, find room for 1-2 phobies stadium.
     
  4. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    I can see the need for the stadium and I have put in two holon mentors but trying to figure out the double rainbow energy's. I also removed scott since I feel that the stadiums will help me out more.
    Here is my new deck list..
    Pokemon
    2-Nidoqueen DF
    2-Nidoqueen MT
    1-Nidorina DF
    1-Nidorina MT
    2-Nidoran DF
    2-Nidoran(female) MT

    2-Nidoking DF
    2-Nidoking SW
    2-Nidoino DF
    4-Nidoran(male) DF

    4-Holon's Castform

    Trainers
    4-Rare Candy
    2-Phebe's Stadium
    2-NM
    2-Steven's Advice
    2-Professor Rowan
    2-Coppy Cat
    3-Celio's Network
    2-TGW
    2-Holon Mentor

    Energy
    4-Dark Special
    2-Dark Basic
    2-Scramble
    8-Psy
     
  5. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    i also like more straight draw like tv reporter, oaks visit, stevens, galactics mars and bill's maintenance, than all of the shuffle draw you have.
    right now you only have 2 straight draw- stevens, so i would lose 3-4 of your shuffle, rowan, coppycat, or TGW for oaks visit, and if you dont have those, then tv reporter.
    so something like
    -2 rowan
    -1 TGW

    +3 oaks visit/TVR

    unless you feel like you really need the rowan.
     
  6. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Castform feels bad in this deck. It'll flow better if you replace the Castforms (at least mostly) with Stantler, and change all the delta Nidos into their MT/SW incarnations. Delta Draw starts are not as useful any more due to Riolu donks, and Team Galactic's Wager.

    Where are the Roseanne's? You need basic pokemon on your bench, you don't really need the discard from Mentor, you don't really need 3 pokemon at once, you could use the extra energy for Nidoqueen. So where are the Roseanne's Researchs?

    I'd find that I'm more a fan of 3 SW Nidoking and 1 tech DF Nidoking. But that's just me. Perhaps it's the fact that drag off + poison or easy 90+ damage outweighs what the DF King does...

    Rowans is inferior to even Team Galactic's Wager in decks like this, where you have search power anyway (at least, most of hte time).

    So yeah, let's see what you come up with...
     
  7. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    I agree to u both that I do need more strait draw and that the holon's castform is not a good starter (Mario is quite popular in my area and they always seem to get riolu out and the needed heads) Will try to trade for stantlers. I have wanted to put roseanns in but I don't have any atm but will once I do. The nidoking I was planing on putting in once I get another one. Also I was thinking of taking out the DF nidorina and putting in the SW one because this one gets pokemon out of the discard if I really need it and it goes strait to my hand. Although how about I just take out 2 Rowan and 1 Coppy Cat ? Or should I just take TGW out. I am planing in replacing 3 TGM in place of those cards. I also would then want to swith out the 2 Basic dark and replace them with DRE. Here is my finished list.

    2-Nidoqueen DF
    2-Nidoqueen MT
    2-Nidorina MT
    4-Nidoran(female) MT

    2-Nidoking DF -----will take out one once I get another SW one
    2-Nidoking SW
    2-Nidoino DF
    4-Nidoran(male) SW

    3-Stantler SW

    Trainers
    4-Rare Candy
    2-Phebe's Stadium
    2-NM
    2-Steven's Advice
    3-TGM
    2-Coppy Cat
    3-Celio's Network
    2-TGW
    2-Holon Mentor

    Energy
    4-Dark Special
    2-DRE
    2-Scramble
    8-Psy
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2007
  8. DarkMagnus

    DarkMagnus New Member

    2-2 of each queen is perfect stick to that
     
  9. master of puppets

    master of puppets New Member

    the list looks really good now.
     
  10. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    I was keeping the 2 different queens I was just changing the NidoKINGs.
     
  11. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    I decited to switch up my deck alittle by taking out a line of of NidoKing and add in a line of Dusknoir.
    Here is the new list of my deck

    2-Nidoqueen DF
    2-Nidoqueen MT
    2-Nidorina MT
    4-Nidoran(female) MT

    3-Nidoking DF -----will take out one once I get another SW one
    2-Nidoino DF
    3-Nidoran(male) SW

    1-DusknoirDP
    1-DusclopsCG
    1-Duskull


    3-Stantler SW

    Trainers
    4-Rare Candy
    2-Phebe's Stadium
    2-NM
    2-Steven's Advice
    3-TGM
    2-Coppy Cat
    3-Celio's Network
    2-TGW
    2-Holon Mentor

    Energy
    2-DRE
    2-Scramble
    11-Psy
     
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2007
  12. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Needs more draw power.

    Stevens is all fine and dandy, until you realize that your opponent will see Duskull and stop playing extra benched pokemon. Oak's Visit works rather well.

    Make sure your Duskull is the SW one. The Reaper Cloth is vital to getting Dusknoir out quickly.

    And with what I've seen with what this deck does, the Rare Candy into Nidoqueen within the first few turns is vital. Not searching for full benched pokemon in first few turns. Not getting Nidorina then slowly evolving into Nidoqueen. It's getting Nidoqueen DF out into play ASAP.

    Well... That makes it seem important to get Rare Candy ASAP, right? But Budew looks like a terrible starter in our format, 'cause 40 damage to the bench is done by at least two water snipers (Empoleon, Octillery), and fire decks (Which are about to boom in popularity) love to eat little bits of Broccoli.

    So. What can we do...? Surely there's a card in this format that can search any card out of the deck, as trainers like Rare candy and pokemon like Nidoqueen are too important... But what could it be...?
     
  13. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    After some thinking I am just going to drop it because I really need the bench space for the queens and or getting another King set up and I just don't see this card really speeding up my deck I could drop it for some more cards to help me get out the cards I need.... just what.....
     
  14. NidoPrince

    NidoPrince New Member

    The Linoone can search for any 2 cards, energyless.... But, it is a stage 1...
     
  15. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Linoone? What Linoone? You mean Furret?

    Well, it's not like you're running a ton of pokemon search in a Nidoqueen deck :/

    ((Yes, that's what I was hinting at. It's amazing when it gets out turn or 2/3. Especially since Kricketune needs to use Pluspower to one shot it))
     
  16. NidoPrince

    NidoPrince New Member

    I did mean Furret, sorry....

    But i like the versatility of Furret.
     
  17. tglilly

    tglilly New Member

    Just thinking by the time I get furett out it may only have one shot at getting a card I need. Most t2 decks would kill it way before I could get it out.... though it is a thought and it is nice to be able to get any 2 cards (rare candy) .... oh yea the last post I typed I was thinking incorrectly it can work out. So I am probably going to keep it in.
    Your right that nidoqueen is really needed to get out fast for she is a big part of this deck. After some testing Oaks visit is better than Stevens simply because it dose not rely on my hand size(which can get big easily) I also been felling iffy of weather I should keep Dusknoir or just drop it for more support and draw..... or even for a better supporting pokemon.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2007
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