No High Rollers in Pokemon

[Team Cook Mom]

We've always done high roll also. We're now switching to heads or tails.

We announced this at league, and no one complained. Not even the little kids!

 

[Big Daddy Snorlax]

Let's not open up the D20 argument again.

This is why they are moving to this.

Go to one of my events with a D20 and it is only a damage counter for you.

Other people prefer them as ramdomizers.

Vince

We have also prohibited the use of D20, or anything other than 6 sided dice, if players want to use dice instead of a coin. It is interesting that so many people act like this is a game changing decision. Puts me in mind of other changes that were going to be just HORRIBLE, but after a few months you heard nothing more about it. It will take a while to get everyone on the same page, using the flip a coin/die and calling heads/tails at the start of the game, but I bet by Nationals their will only be a handful of hold-outs or players that haven't gotten the word.

BDS

 

[Tego]

People have been doing this for years, I've never heard of any issues that resulted from having the opion to do both.

What? People have for years been unable to complete start-up procedures because they didn't/couldn't decide on who would flip and who would call, or because both players wanted heads/tails?

My point was that now, once this rule is being enforced, we should just follow it, and there's no need - or rational reason - to argue against it. If two players - like in the example I quoted - are being so difficult that they can't even complete start-up procedures for these absurd reasons, I would as a judge be strict and tell them they better pull themselves together and stop acting ridiculous.

 

[TRQLKZ]

What if both players want to play 5 prizes?

What if both players agree to unlimited time?

No.

These rules have always been enforced, unlike the requirement to use heads/tails to determine a starting player

You are all saying that something like this should not be so important, but then why was it important enough for this rule to be enforced, when it hasn't been in the past.

I will have no problem following this new rule, becuase i like this game too much to let something like this ruin my fun.

I am not meaning to complain as much as i am questioning the reason for the sudden change in rules enforcement.


You don't have to agree with what I think about determining a starting player.

If no one else sees any value in what i think, I am sorry to have wasted my time sharing my opinion.

I agree that people should be able to come to an agreement about who gets to call what, but tha is why i suggested a high roll to determine who gets to call heads or tails for those people who may have problems with this.

 

[zman22674]

Let's not open up the D20 argument again.

This is why they are moving to this.

Go to one of my events with a D20 and it is only a damage counter for you.

Other people prefer them as ramdomizers.

Vince

Funny, there is a player in our state who will call a judge even if you use a D20 as a damage counter. I prefered using a D20 over multiple D6 dice because 1 D20 can count damage with one die for just about every Pokemon with no HP modifiers. However, he refuses to let his opponents use D20 dice for anything.

Z

 

[Mathorn1]

About time, finally the elimination of ties on high rolls.

 

[BLiZzArD]

We have also prohibited the use of D20, or anything other than 6 sided dice, if players want to use dice instead of a coin. It is interesting that so many people act like this is a game changing decision. Puts me in mind of other changes that were going to be just HORRIBLE, but after a few months you heard nothing more about it. It will take a while to get everyone on the same page, using the flip a coin/die and calling heads/tails at the start of the game, but I bet by Nationals their will only be a handful of hold-outs or players that haven't gotten the word.

BDS

We've also banned any thing but D6 and coins as a randomizer in fact I've been known to supply coins to the entire event(as an experiment) and and have them use nothing but those(Small event I believe it was a cities) it went well and most kept the coins on the table.

BLiZz

 

[Prof Clay]

I think that there are some hills worth defending and others to let go. The rules specifically state coin flip...we have been lenient in this in the past...now we have been asked to start according to the rules.

Lets all agree this is a non issue in the scheme of things shall we and just do heads or tails.:thumb: as the rule book states.

 

[Bizarro]

Is this an official information? Cause I couldn't find anything on the Organized Play website or at the Professor Forums. Would be nice if someone could name a source.


Cya, Bizarro

 

[Prof Clay]

This is information that has been passed to all PTO's from PUI. There does not have to be an "official" notice because it is already written in the rule book.

Everyone against this just needs to take aboutr 5 steps back and realize its really not that big a deal. In 1 month this will be a non-issue as we all get used to heads/tails

 

[SteveP]

Use the high roll to determine who gets to call it and who rolls/flips. :biggrin:

At CO Regionals, we were told to use the heads/tails method. That was new to our players, so we had to adapt. Not too hard.

The opening coin flip is so "traditional" in some sports that it will NEVER be replaced.

I'm all for standardization, this rule included.

 

[TRQLKZ]

I agree we should just use a coin flip as the rules say.

What I want to know is why does it even matter what random method is used to detmine the starting player.

Many other games say to flip a coin or play RPS or some other random method. I know pokemon specifically says to flip a coin, but I didn't realize that it was such a big issue.

Do I sound like I am contadicting myself?

The answer is yes, but to make a point.

You find it pointless for me to make a big deal about this, when Pokemon Organized Play is making a big deal by deciding to start enforcing something that is supposedly unimportant.

Why does POP care so much how we determine the starting player?

Since they do, I am supporting the use of the rules the way they are written, but I do wonder why.

 

[Team Cook Mom]

You are all saying that something like this should not be so important, but then why was it important enough for this rule to be enforced, when it hasn't been in the past.

It is PUI/POP's job to make sure that we play as closely to the original Japanese rules as possible, so they have to enforce even the smallest details to help keep the game authentic. It is their job.

As players, we should respect that, and just go along with it, and understand that they could, at any given time, revoke our privilege to use dice at all.

So, we should be thankful that you can still roll a die to determine who goes first. The only difference is that now the outcome has to be heads or tails.

 

[vanderbilt_grad]

Everyone against this just needs to take aboutr 5 steps back and realize its really not that big a deal. In 1 month this will be a non-issue as we all get used to heads/tails

But that would rob us of all the drama! :lol:

I still wonder if the Japanese players get to ignore the rulebook and play RPS to see who starts games. Folks made a big point of this during all the Team Galactic Wager is bad for the game posts.

 

[SteveP]

It's not a big deal in the sense of getting you a penalty. If judging, I probably wouldn't even caution you or make you do it again if both of you agreed to the high-roll method. I equate this to allowing your opponent to do a take-back. If I saw you allowing your opponent to do a take-back, I wouldn't intervene. When asked to rule, judges CAN'T allow take-backs. But until the judge gets involved, players CAN allow take-backs.

Nevertheless, that's me. Other judges might REQUIRE the heads/tails method. If POP requires it at premier events, then that's just the way it is.

 

[TRQLKZ]

It is PUI/POP's job to make sure that we play as closely to the original Japanese rules as possible, so they have to enforce even the smallest details to help keep the game authentic.

Thank you. Now I better understand why they have decided to enforce that rule. I didn't realize how important it was to have every single element of the pregame procedure completely authentic to the japanese version.

 

[Freddy K.]

It's easier to manipulate a high roll than it is to manipulate a coin flip or a h/t die roll.

- fK

 

[Azure Kite]

I myself when I heard the announcement at States, was expecting to hear that you can only use a coin. I was suprised when they said you could still use dice.

I don't like this descision, buts its just to minor to make a big deal out of. High roll was fun and easy for me, and unless someone told me to call the flip/roll, I would offer a high roll.

At our league, choosing who went first was not in the rules, as long as the choice was random. Some people even chose to play RPS to see who goes first, and this was before Wager was released.

I remember when they changed the rules so that the person who won the coin flip/dice roll HAD to go first, and could not choose who did. Now THAT hurt. But didn't we get over that? How much easier can it be to get over something so insignificant?

More and more, I am starting to see immediate adaptability as a true and rare quality in people.

TCM, I don't think they will take away dice rolling. Or atleast I would hope they didn't. As I've said before, coins flipped my me end up being pronounced MIA.(missing in action)

 

[Freddy K.]

What if both players want to call heads/tails, who will flip/roll?
What if neither player wants to decide whether or not they will call or flip?

If I was the judge for this tournament, I'd encourage these two players to ask themselves some serious questions about whether they want to go home now, or just pull themselves together and start having some fun.

Quality response Tego LOL :lol: nice one!

- fK

 

[Big Daddy Snorlax]

You find it pointless for me to make a big deal about this, when Pokemon Organized Play is making a big deal by deciding to start enforcing something that is supposedly unimportant.

Why does POP care so much how we determine the starting player?

Since they do, I am supporting the use of the rules the way they are written, but I do wonder why.

This is an international game and in some areas of the World they have no concept of using dice instead of a coin, let alone the concept of high roll replacing something as universal as a coin flip. Once a year we all come together at Worlds, and it will be much easier to get over the language barriers iif we at least all play by the same set of rules, without adding in some regional modifications because we "like them better".

When a game is developed the creators of that game have every right, and in fact a need, to set up the rules for that game. The creators of Pokemon take their work very seriously, and have spent a lot of time thiinking about how a game of Pokemon should play out, from start to finish. They envisioned and set up the start of play to be a coin flip. Since they have been nice enough to overlook our "critical need" to substitute the roll of a die for the flip of a coin, we should at least be able to honor their wish that the game start by someong calling heads/tails.

BDS