Obama's Army

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  1. Robert ex

    Robert ex New Member

    Obama's "Civilian National Security Force"

    It's time we wake up, and start listening to what Barack Obama is really saying (provided his words actually mean anything). Even those people who consider themselves liberals or Democrats should be worried about this man.

    On Wednesday, July 2nd, Obama gave a speech in Colorado Springs that emphasized "national service" for all Americans. That, in itself, doesn't sound too shocking, since other presidents (e.g. Roosevelt, Kennedy, Clinton, and Bush) have suggested similar goals. Typically it's just empty rhetoric.

    And we've all probably heard this famous line from John F. Kennedy's inaugural address:

    Obama's message started with a similar tone:

    In his speech at the University of Colorado campus, Obama pledged that enhanced public service and active citizenship would be a central cause of his presidency.

    Obama repeated his pledge to boost the size of the active military. But he also said the nation's future and safety depends on more than just additional soldiers.

    He promised to increase AmeriCorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and pledged to double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011.

    That sounds like a worthy goal. Who doesn't like the idea of an "all-volunteer" organization to help the poor and disadvantaged, right?

    Does Obama realize there's no constitutional authority for this? We all turn a deaf ear, because it's "for a good cause". But please, let me keep my own money -- I'm poor too. Is there no end to the government spending our taxes on other people?

    Here's where Obama starts getting really creepy though:

    What exactly is a "civilian national security force"? ...and why do we need one?

    What authority will this "civilian force" have? Are there national security issues that our police and national guard can't handle?

    What will we call them? ...maybe, the Green Police?

    Obama called for greater integration with schools, so that young Americans are better prepared to be active citizens.

    In America, are we not supposed to be FREE -- to volunteer -- or not volunteer?

    As a parent, this one strikes me as "way over the top". He's going to withhold federal funding from school districts unless each and every student gives fifty hours of service? ...starting from age 12 and up?

    Will this only be "state-approved" secular training? ...or do parents and students have a choice?

    It's harder to force college students into this mandatory service. So basically, he's saying the government will pay them $40 per hour to do it, right? To me, it even makes sense to give college students a reasonable tax break. We all know how expensive university life can be, for both students and parents. But trying to "force" 100 hours of government service into their lives seems like a very bad solution.

    As with the students in secondary schools, how will they monitor and enforce all of this? Who keeps tabs? Will a whole new government bureaucracy be created?

    Volunteering is a great ideal. If possible, we should all do it, every chance we get.

    Yet, it all comes down to choice and freedom. Choosing where, when, and how (or whether we even want to) is our God-given right. No government authority should ever be allowed to command children's responsibilities, or dictate our moral convictions to us.

    That's not a slippery slope -- it's a freakin' cliff.

    Since when did providing our children a "world-class education" include mandatory service to The State?

    Sounds like fascism -- not patriotism -- to me!!

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    Sources >> Chicago Tribune / AARP / Baltimore Sun

    Yet I'm curious -- why hasn't ALL of the mainstream media picked up on this?

    Why aren't these questions being asked everywhere?
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  2. Your first sentince totally throws off everything your trying to point out. Most of America is paying attention. So really everyting else you have here could be just Hype. And as the song goes"Don't believe the hype".
     
  3. Robert ex

    Robert ex New Member

    Please at least be courteous enough to read what Obama has said before you throw out silly one-line responses.

    It's not "hype" if he gets elected my friend. :smile:

    P.S. There are links to 4 different news articles (included) in the thread.
     
  4. SD PokeMom

    SD PokeMom Mod Supervisor Staff Member

    ummm...a lot of public school districts, the one my kids attend included, already require community service hours as part of their high school graduation requirements. students CHOOSE the legal non-profit organization they'd like to volunteer for...so what was the problem again?

    btw, agenda much? 'provided his words mean anything'? not to mention the godwin's law first 'draft' of this topic, which was deleted and has been reposted WITHOUT the permission of the administrators/moderators? =/

    'mom
     
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  5. Jaeger

    Jaeger New Member

    We had 20 hours (not much from what I heard) Hot Sun, Laying Cement, Cute Girls. Fun times
     
  6. Robert ex

    Robert ex New Member

    My son's school also has a "senior project" requirement for graduation.

    1. Obama's talking about 50 hours -- per year -- from junior high on (age 11-12).

    2. Withholding all federal funds unless school districts "submit" to government requirements? You don't have a problem with that? Seems to me, they're busy enough with the current system -- including mandatory testing.

    3. Reading, writing, math, science, geography, etc., etc. That's what school should be -- not social indoctrination.

    Did you miss the part about a "civilian national security force" as powerful and well-funded as our military? That's scary.

    I think there's a bigger picture. :eek: Learn. Decide. Vote.
     
  7. Absoltrainer

    Absoltrainer Active Member

    People these days protest too much online where honestly no one cares and it make no difference. If you honestly feel this way, then don't just sit on the computer, do nothing and whine. Protest if you want to or write to your newspaper.

    You won't change any minds here by telling people how you view Obama, and no one will change your mind by arguing against you. Is there a point the thread then? None I can see other then to create political arguments on a POKEMON forum.
     
  8. The King Of Magikarps

    The King Of Magikarps Active Member

    Wasn't this already posted???
     
  9. drrty byl

    drrty byl New Member

    Mod edit. Sorry. Either inappropriate, or in bad taste, or in another language, or inside joke. Or hey, maybe even all of the above. Don't consider posting like that again, please. P_A.

    Wow -- I thought I was making a very obvious joke based on the information posted that would be easily understandable for all and did not intend it as inappropriate, in bad taste, or an inside joke. I'm sorry!

    Do I sense political over-polarization expressed via the misinterpretation of light-hearted satire?

    Very reminiscent of the network news over-reaction to a certain magazine cover..
     
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  10. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    Yeah, it was... but it got locked... now it seems that it was deleted... and reposted with a new title. I don't get it.

    But I still have the same opinion. I think you're reading too far into what Obama said... and I still like the idea of making $40 an hour by "volunteering" my time :biggrin:.
     
  11. homeofmew

    homeofmew Active Member

    I am not a fan of forced community service myself.
    However, I won't be voting for Obama in November.
     
  12. Azure Kite

    Azure Kite New Member

    Yeah 40$ would be awsome. Of course, if Obama wins, we could eventually see an end to homeschooling, and thats one of the reasons I'm against him.

    I'm not entirely getting the point here, really. Is it just you being protective of your kid? If thats the case, my friend, then there are quite a lot more things you could probably be worried about than your kid volunteering a few extra hours.

    Were not talking about sending kids to labor camps and working it hot smokey coal factories, were talking about VOLUNTEER SERVICE. No, I don't think its a good idea for it to be 50 hours, but thats nothing to be making a fuss about like this.

    I ask again, is your concern for your kid the only reason this thread is here?
     
  13. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    On what basis is this claim made?
     
  14. ZAKtheGeek

    ZAKtheGeek New Member

    Well, don't act like he's a dictator throwing his ideals at the country. He's telling you his views, and if he gets elected, then I guess that means that a lot of people agree.

    That's how it's supposed to work, anyway.

    I do agree that this "civil defense force" rivaling the military is seriously weird.
     
  15. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    We have always had a "civillian national security force." He isn't talking about another military, he is collectively talking about all of the people who volunteer and risk their lives to help the community, such as Volunteer Firemen and EMS Volunteers. It isn't some kind of Homeland security defense squad. He simply wants to promote that and fund it better.

    And how is that related to what you were talking about? In the statement I quoted above, you are talking about education, and then you bring up this "force" you are so afraid of.

    What is so awful about kids doing volunteer hours? When was it ever a good thing to be sending kids out of school and praise them so much when they are selfish and not willing to give anything to the community?
     
  16. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    He supports one of the greatest evils in the world, there for he will never have my vote. The civil defense force is really weird.....
     
  17. SD PokeMom

    SD PokeMom Mod Supervisor Staff Member

    50 hours per school year is just over one hour...and less than two...a week. that's too much to ask people for to give back to their community? really?
    which 'evil' is that? explanation please?


    'mom
     
  18. P_A

    P_A Active Member

    Granted, I'm a Canadian, and I have absolutely no intentions of getting involved in politics in the first place, but I do have a comment that bears upon your original post.

    Here in Ontario (don't know about any other provinces, so i won't extend this to them), all high school students have a mandatory requirement to complete 40 hours of community service (within their high school years) regardless of whether or not they got the required credits for course completion ..... BEFORE they can be awarded their high school diploma. They have 4 years to volunteer 40 hours at any possible community venue - including the pokemon league! What's so hard about that? I think that was a great idea. It gives kids a sense of belonging to a community, opens their minds to new opportunities, new experiences, and new friends. I applaud any person who can enlighten our youth and give them new experiences without putting a strain on our tax dollars. Volunteering is a good idea.
     
  19. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    And aren't you people realising that we just went through 8 years, NEARLY AN ENTIRE DECADE, under the leadership of a man who was considered the least popular U.S. president of ALL TIME?!?!

    And now you are saying that we still want to vote for a candidate who is in line with his ideals, and wants to continue the most unpopular war in American history, when no Iraqi officials are in its support and believe that the U.S. has intervened enough?

    Believe me, I did my research. The Iraqi prime minister and the Iraqi people are literally waiting for a date to be given to them by the U.S. for troop withdrawal start time.
     
  20. Azure Kite

    Azure Kite New Member

    Its not a claim. Its a possibility, hence the word "could". But isn't it obvious? HE'S LIBERAL. They don't believe in homeschooling. To them, like most, its a form of isolation from socialization and things that you'll need to make it in life.
     
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