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Man okay, i'm willing to try the new system...BUT THE LCQ!!!! Did it really have to go. Was it that bad? Was the grinder soooooo bad that you had to kill it in it's prime?....

R.I.P.
LCQ..."The Grinder"
You were the hope and dreams of many players,
though you chewed us up and spit us out,
you made us stronger.
You will be missed

So with no grinder that means that the pokemon season will end in July with nationals. Unless you are are lucky enough to earn a golden ticket. because with no grinder, there's really nothing for the other 600+ players to do or look foward to until cities start again.
 
Professor Dav said:
First, sorry I haven't answered you, this is honestly the first request from you I've seen. (this thread is a bit busy)

Second, I'll give you one guess.

If that doesn't answer your question, you'll just have to wait. :D

Dave

I'm good. Thanks!
 
meganium45 said:
I find it very interesting that Ditto is arguing on this side of the ball after being one of the players who did NOT qualify for Worlds this year, despite travelling all over god's green earth with his fiancee to try and earn the invite.

Ditto played in Worlds '05, but not in Worlds '06 and STILL sees the logic of the new system.

Kind of interesting if you ask me...

Vince

(Hey, Mike, am I the judge mentioned in your quote?)

M45

While yes, it is interesting he argues this side, don't encourage him. He will fight this to the death, and by doing so, become a drooling, babbling idiot sitting in front of the computer for hours upon hours at the Pokegym...

Wait...

nevermind.

On another note...I now hate pokemon because of this thread.:rolleyes: [/sarc]
 
Apology to Dave Schwimmer

GymLeaderPhil said:
Dave Schwimmer did just that. In the Opening and Closing Ceremonies.


The Grinder is a welcomed loss. Anyone who has been on the staff the last three years will most likely agree. It is impractical to run an event of such a large size, not ending the tournament when there's a clean cut, and starting in the afternoon. It's not fun for the staff/players to have to stay up all night and then wake up the next morning to work/play Worlds. There was too much of a strain. PUI is shifting the priority of attending the Grinder into other qualifying events this season and you will have plenty of ways to have fun in those tournaments.

I'd like to add that I don't think that Worlds 2007 is going to lack all of the interesting side events that the previous World Championships have had. Perhaps it will be on a smaller scale, but I doubt that the only thing going on all three days will be the main event. That's a huge oversight to say that nothing will be going on and that non-Worlds competitors will not be welcomed.

I apologize, if Dave Schwimmer was the MC at closing ceremonies, I was not aware of it, as he was dressed like one of the PTO's in a black Polo, and not like the rest of the PUI staff, who I believe were all wearing red shirts when they were introduced. I was not aware that a PUI staff member was speaking.
So I do take back the complaint about a PUI representative not speaking to the gathered crowd.

I fully understand why PUI no longer wishes there to be a grinder as it is a lot of work, but the grinder was the only opportunity that many players were ever going to get to be able to play other pokemon players from around the world, and it is sad that there will no longer ever be that opportunity again.

If the tournament had started at 10:00 am instead of 3:00 pm it would have been finished by 10:00 pm and would have been a lot easier on everyone. I live on the west coast and am unable to afford to take a trip to Columbus, Ohio in July and then a trip to Hawaii the following month. I would love to attend another World Championship, but I can not justify flying to Hawaii just to play in side events.

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Professor Dav said:
You're telling me that there's an assumption being made on MY part? Do you not see that there are three fingers pointed back at yourselves whilst you point that one finger at me? You ASSUME there will be no 'other stuff' at Worlds next year. You ASSUME that there is no other reason to attend. You ASSUME that we don't want 'all those pesky players' there. How about in the future, you simply ask, and perhaps find out that other than the reduction in invites, and likely elimination of the grinder (as a means to reward MORE people for CONSISTENT play throughout the season), that we really don't have plans to change anything. Side events at Worlds has been a HUGE sucess for us every year. All of the other 'fun stuff' we do, has been a huge sucess for us each year. The fact that less players will be playing in the main event means nothing in regards to what else we can do for everyone else.

Honestly, I won't even respond to your questioning of my professionalism. Whether it was appropriate or not, it's hypocritical to believe that you should be treated better than you treat others.

At this point, JandPS has heard exactly what I think of his post, and attitude. I won't coddle or placate people who so arbitrarily insult the integrity of my staff.

Prof. Dave

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First of all no one has insulted anyone’s integrity, nor besides anger in your posts have you pointed out any factual inaccuracies in my posts, basically you do not like what I have said and are mad at me for saying it but nowhere do I see where you say that I am wrong. My thesis is as follows.

Point #1 the World Championships are a huge undertaking for your staff and put an incredible amount of strain on everyone involved.

Point #2 A smaller World Championship would be much easier to plan and run and at only 64 players would be a heck of a lot less costly in both time and money.

Point #3 The Grinder was a huge pain in the rear to run and only served to cause more headaches and added expense to putting on the World Championship Tournament. All it did was bring in huge numbers of players who after the Grinder was over, stayed and clogged up the side events, and got in the way of people who were trying to run the actual world championship tournament.

So if the grinder is eliminated, people who are not playing in the World Championship tournament will no longer have any reason to show up at the World Championships, so attendance will be way down at the event. This will enable the side events to be much easier to run as there will be less people hanging around looking for something to do. This will make the entire World Championships a heck of a lot less hectic for everyone involved in running the event.

So with no Grinder and only around 64 players per age group the World Championships will be way more easy to pull off, way more affordable, and it will be able to be started and ended in two days rather then three, saving a lot of money in Hotel expense.


I have never stated that anyone at PUI is wrong or bad for making these changed to the World Championships, but I do not like being told that these changes are done solely to make things better for the players participating in the game when there are other considerations in play in the decision-making
 
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Here's a recommendation.

Change Worlds 2007 to Pokemon Olympics I. Run Pokemon Olympics every 4 years as a very exclusive event. In between years, run Pokemon Worlds as in the past.

I'm still anticipating a "beefed up" US Nationals. I'm hoping it will facilitate the intimacy that made Worlds so special (ie., most players stay at the same Hotel, the Hotel free-play area, Pokemon-only convention hall).
 
JandPDS - Before you make anymore "thesis" I would advice you to base you next thesis on a "wider" view. A GLOBAL one, not your personal one.
 
The LCQ is gone.

Gone for 2007. That does not mean that it wont return at some point in the future.

I think that eliminating the LCQ was a decision that became unavoidable. I'd bet money that POP would have liked to retain the LCQ as it does add to the international flavour of worlds. Despite the views of some on the gym POP does care about the 15+ group. POP does care about the community aspect to playing pokemon. POP also has to consider its staff.

IMHO the demands made by many here on the gym contributed to the grinder's demise: those extra three rounds were a very bad idea. There is no reason why the grinder should be the same as other tournaments.

So I look forward to the grinders return: maybe in the USA at worlds 2008 or in Europe 2009.;) If we want the grinder back then we will need to come up with a workable, reasonable, practical system. A 3am finish just isn't going to work! Any tournament structure with a high chance of a 3am finsih isn't going to work. There has to be a realistic chance that the grinder will complete in 6 hours before we will see its return. Half decks? Three prizes? Pre-assigned random pairings? Pods? Draws allowed?

For the European worlds I'll happily act as a judge for the grinder. I can't miss the first Europe based worlds.

Gone for Hawaii 2007 does not mean gone forever.
 
JandPDS said:
If the tournament had started at 10:00 am instead of 3:00 pm it would have been finished by 10:00 pm and would have been a lot easier on everyone.


I know this is a minor point, but I have seen many similar statements by others and it bugs me. I am not calling JanPDS out in particular here. His statement is not impolite, just conveniently located.

No, we could not have started the grinder at 10:00. 3:00 is about as early as we could push it. We would have preferred a 5:00 start but changing to 8 or 9 rounds instead of 5 or 6 made that unworkable.

If the grinder started at 10:00 we would have lost an entire day of viable flight options. Nobody coming from the East coast or Europe who wanted to participate in the Grinder could have arrived on Friday.

The reason this sort of thing bugs me so much is that there is the part about it being easier on everyone. No, not true at all. It would be easier on people like the poster who live near him. It would have been far more difficult for people from other parts of the world.
 
JandPDS said:
Prof. Dave

First of all no one has insulted anyone’s integrity, nor besides anger in your posts have you pointed out any factual inaccuracies in my posts, basically you do not like what I have said and are mad at me for saying it but nowhere do I see where you say that I am wrong. My thesis is as follows.

Point #1 the World Championships are a huge undertaking for your staff and put an incredible amount of strain on everyone involved.

Point #2 A smaller World Championship would be much easier to plan and run and at only 64 players would be a heck of a lot less costly in both time and money.

Point #3 The Grinder was a huge pain in the rear to run and only served to cause more headaches and added expense to putting on the World Championship Tournament. All it did was bring in huge numbers of players who after the Grinder was over, stayed and clogged up the side events, and got in the way of people who were trying to run the actual world championship tournament.

So if the grinder is eliminated, people who are not playing in the World Championship tournament will no longer have any reason to show up at the World Championships, so attendance will be way down at the event. This will enable the side events to be much easier to run as there will be less people hanging around looking for something to do. This will make the entire World Championships a heck of a lot less hectic for everyone involved in running the event.

So with no Grinder and only around 64 players per age group the World Championships will be way more easy to pull off, way more affordable, and it will be able to be started and ended in two days rather then three, saving a lot of money in Hotel expense.


I have never stated that anyone at PUI is wrong or bad for making these changed to the World Championships, but I do not like being told that these changes are done solely to make things better for the players participating in the game when there are other considerations in play in the decision-making

Your posts continue to show a complete lack of attention to what actually happened. There, in fact, are photos on our website that you could've even referenced to save yourself having to show everyone that you actually are pulling information out of thin air. I, in fact, was wearing a red staff shirt, the entire weekend. Only on stage did I sport a sharp labcoat for presenting of the opening and closing ceremonies. Nonetheless, my red staff shirt is clearly visible, and at no time during the weekend was I in black.

You did in fact question our integrity, whether or not you choose to admit that. It's very clear to anyone who's paid attention to your posts that your complete conjecture regarding these issues has targetted us as selfish, player hating, and incompetent.

Therefore, I see no need to address any of your questions, now or in the future. My lack of responding to any of your assumptions has much more to do with your complete disregard for us and our decisions, and your lack of choosing a constructive way to find out more information, prior to spewing rhetoric on these boards.

And people wonder why we don't like coming on to these forums? Sheesh.

Prof. Dav
 
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And now for the PUI hat-trick:

I'm incredibly unhappy that a Professor would post such a tirade on a public forum, instead of coming directly to POP with your concerns. I don't mind civil posts and debate, but, JandPDS, your posts in this and other threads clearly indicate that you either haven't read, or have no regard for the Professor Core Values. Also, they seem to indicate a strong distaste for POP staff. This is not the type of person that I want as a Professor.
 
Just 2 add my 2 cents.

i feel that the Great Oz (dave/pete) has spoken, stepped forth from behind their curtain and laid down the law on how it's gonna be this season.

if going to worlds is your only motivation to play, maybe it's time to invest in a yu gi oh starter deck. although i personally will suggest T2 magic if you want another game to play.

on an related note, the grinder while i wasn't there, sounded like a real drain on the staff to me.

here's a tip for this season.

1. attend all your local premiere events.
2. win all your games.


life is too short to worry about stupid stuff like barely squeaking into a top cut, or getting some invite to the Staller's Ball.

But yeah, it's no wonder the POP people don't like coming here, i feel it's not worth their time to argue w/ you people.

they could be doing more productive things like getting all those cool PDF's ready for us to read on the new rating system, or approving the league i've been trying to setup at a new gaming shop since like before gencon.

but yeah, the pop people work very hard. maybe it's time you two just agree to disagree, and until you are the person running the show aka organized play, just accept that not everything is gonna be perfect. and be happy w/ what Dave/Mike/Pete/Erik/Susan and even Mr. Jimmer do for you.


and just to show, i'm not bashing on you, i've had my differences of oppinion w/ the pop people as well. but yeah, don't take it so personally. don't go to worlds. don't go to origins.

heck, i personally advise going to gencon socal, having a great time, maybe finding yourself another game you enjoy!

sincerely,


M. Rinaldi! aka Mikermon
 
M_Liesik said:
And now for the PUI hat-trick:

I'm incredibly unhappy that a Professor would post such a tirade on a public forum, instead of coming directly to POP with your concerns. I don't mind civil posts and debate, but, JandPDS, your posts in this and other threads clearly indicate that you either haven't read, or have no regard for the Professor Core Values. Also, they seem to indicate a strong distaste for POP staff. This is not the type of person that I want as a Professor.


Will JandPDS be banned from Pokemon?
 
M_Liesik said:
Why should he be? I simply stated that he doesn't belong in the Professor program.

Right... bad question... will he be banned from the Professor program? He's the professor I use for my little tournaments, so if he gets banned from the program I will need to either pass the test myself or find a new professor.
 
A Professor has never been a requirement for a tournament to be sanctionable. At least not for PUI (not sure about WotC).
 
Mike, Pete and Dav...

I certainly hope you have more than one computer in your offices to make these comments from...

I can just see Mike trying to squeeze between Pete and Dav to get his turn at typing...

Come on guys, I wanna type...COME ON GUYS!!!!

Sorry - needed a light moment.

Folks, the sky is not falling.

PUI has done nothing but improve the game since they have taken it over...

If they are moving, and changing things...here is a wild idea...let's give it a shot.

We don't even know all of the details yet...

2005-6 was better than 2004-5, which was better than 2003-4

What makes us think we are going to take a step DOWN in 2006-7.

The league stuff, from what I have seen is WOW!

If the league is getting better, why won't OP get better too? What advantage does PUI have of making OP worse? Worlds this year, with the additional international presence was AWESOME. Let's see what next year brings.

Faith little ones, faith....

M45
 
M_Liesik said:
A Professor has never been a requirement for a tournament to be sanctionable. At least not for PUI (not sure about WotC).

Yes, I know a TO can sanction them, but what about Judges? Is it okay to have a judge who isn't a Professor?
 
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