Pokémon Black and White RNGing

Discussion in 'Electronic Games' started by pkmn202, Jul 17, 2011.

  1. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    I've decided to try RNG abusing on my Pokémon White, I've searched for information on the internet but I didn't find much. I'd like to know what steps I'd need to take and what I'd need to do. I would also like to know how to find my secret ID, is it the same as in previous gens? I caught a shiny Vulpix which I encountered randomly so can I use it to find my secret ID?

    Thanks in Advance!:thumb:
  2. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    Ok...no-one's replied to this thread. :frown:

    Anyway, I need help finding my Secret ID, can someone find it for me or at least tell me how to find it in Gen 5.

    This is my Pokémon and it's IV's and other information:

    (Shiny, obviously) Vulpix (male)

    Quiet nature

    Loves to eat



    Hidden Power type: Water
    Power: 30

    Please help!

    Thanks in Advance!:thumb:
  3. Akane

    Akane New Member

    I'll try and help you to the best of my ability. I'm not amazing at 5th gen RNGing, though, so no promises!

    First off: what kind of DS do you have? Do you have an old DS, a DS Lite, a DSi (or XL) or a 3DS?

    This'll be very important in deciding how to actually do the RNG manipulation.
  4. C-U elite

    C-U elite New Member

    Hey I would also like help if you could.
    I have a DSi DSiXL and a 3DS so whatever is easiest.
    Do i need a shiny for 5th Gen? everywhere I look it doesnt say anythink about it.
  5. Akane

    Akane New Member

    @ C-U elite: Then we're going to have to do stuff the hard way, as the easier way of RNGing in B/W (the so-called "Non C-Gear" method) is currently only possible to do on a DS lite or an older console.

    So, step 1. Get a program called "RNG Reporter 9". You should be able to find it with a quick Google search.
  6. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    Thanks for replying.

    I use a DS Lite and I have already downloaded RNG Reporter (I think it was) 9.81. I would like some help finding my Secret ID first.
  7. Akane

    Akane New Member

    @pkmn202: You won't need a Secret ID for 5th gen RNGing IVs. You will, however need to find your DS's MAC address. To check this, start your game, go to "Nintendo WFC Settings", then "Options" and "System Information".
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2011
  8. AyameHikaru

    AyameHikaru New Member

    @Akane: He'll need it if he wants anything to do with shinies without completely restarting the game.

    Huge long post of doom:
    Find your PID
    (Shortcut, I found it for you. Yours is 3425857242 [CC326EDA] )

    Calculate your Secret ID

    Following along with the sample data from above, we will take the hexadecimal version of the PID (highlighted and in square brackets above).

    Example PID: 1BC72658

    Our next step is to take this number and half it into two four digit numbers as such:


    Now open your calculator and convert both of these numbers to Binary. Using Windows built in calculator to do this is quite simple. Select the View->Scientific menu item and then click on the Radio Button next to 'Hex'. Paste in the Hexadecimal number and then click on the radio button next to 'Bin' to switch to the Binary view of this number.

    Do this for both halves of the PID and paste the results into a text file.



    Once this is done, switch your calculator into decimal mode and paste in your Trainer ID. We will be using 55083 for this example. Click the Radio Button next to 'Bin' to convert this into a third Binary number and paste the results into your text file under the first two.


    The next task is to make each of these binary numbers exactly 16 digits long. If any number has less than 16 digits, simply add enough zeros to the beginning of the number to make it so.

    Now these numbers should line up as below:


    Our next step is to use these three numbers to create a 4th number, which will be our deduced secret ID.

    Our goal when creating our 4th number is to have the sum of the number in each individual column equal either 0, 2, or 4; that is for the number of ones in each column to be an even number. Please note that this calculation is only necessary for the first 13 columns.

    The example below shows the math for each of the 13 columns.

    1 |000

    As the sum of the first digits in this column add up to 1, we will add 1 to get our even result, which is 2 in this case.

    11 |000

    As the sum of the first digits in this column add up to 1, we will add 1 to get our even result, which is 2 in this case.

    111 |000

    As the sum of the first digits in this column add up to 1, we will add 1 to get our even result, which is 2 in this case.

    Keep doing it.... and voila.


    As the sum of the first digits in this column add up to 2, we will add 0 to get our even result, which is 2 in this case. This leaves with a final binary number which represents our Secret ID.


    Switch your calculator to 'Bin' and paste in this result and then switch the calculator to 'Dec' to finally retrieve your Secret ID in decimal. The Secret ID in our example is 60080.
  9. Freak57891

    Freak57891 New Member

    Please help!!!

    Help, please!
    Im trying to find my secret ID on pokemon black wihtout cheating, but I can't!
    I cought a legit shiny Golett.
    but I don't know if i have to level it up to lv 100 or check his EV's/IV's. I just don't know what to do!
    who can help me please!?!?

    ---------- Post added 07/25/2011 at 04:37 PM ----------

    Im new here, tooo....
  10. TheKing

    TheKing New Member

    ^Serious;y? did you just not see that big long post above you?
  11. Freak57891

    Freak57891 New Member

    Help, please!
    Im trying to find my secret ID on pokemon black wihtout cheating, but I can't!
    I cought a legit shiny Golett.
    but I don't know if i have to level it up to lv 100 or check his EV's/IV's. I just don't know what to do!
    who can help me please!?!?

    ---------- Post added 07/25/2011 at 04:39 PM ----------

    yeah, but I don't understand it, and I will surely make alot of mistakes if I try it...

    ---------- Post added 07/25/2011 at 04:41 PM ----------

    It's so long, it's confusing, and I don't get it! I will surely make mistakes...

    ---------- Post added 07/25/2011 at 04:43 PM ----------

    please help me find my secret code///
    can you help me?

    ---------- Post added 07/25/2011 at 04:44 PM ----------

    Sorry im podting too much, it';s just that im new here...sorry!
  12. AyameHikaru

    AyameHikaru New Member

    It's not a problem. :) In order to get your secret ID, you need to know the IVs. That means you need to know its stats WITHOUT ever using it in battle. (So it doesn't gain experience and EVs.)

    It is a long process, so if you send me the Pokemon I'll do it for you instead.
  13. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    @AyameHikaru:Thanks for finding my PID and for posting all the information, but I don't think I can do the last bit. Would you please be able to do it for me?

    Trainer ID: 57034
    1100110000110010 (first half PID)
    0110111011011010 (second half PID)
    1101111011001010 (Trainer ID)

    These are all 16 digits (I only had to lengthen the second half of the PID by one).I would really appreciate it if you could calculate my Secret ID for me.

    Last edited: Jul 26, 2011
  14. AyameHikaru

    AyameHikaru New Member

    You just add up the columns. if it's a 1 or a 3, you put a 1 to make it even. if it's a 0, 2, or 4, you add 0 to KEEP it even.

    1100110000110010 (first half PID)
    0110111011011010 (second half PID)
    1101111011001010 (Trainer ID)

    binary to dec makes it 31778. :)
  15. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    Oh, the binary numbers bit is simpler than I thought. Thanks anyway for finding my Secret ID for me. :thumb:
  16. Kirby Star Master

    Kirby Star Master New Member

    Hello! I´m really new in the RNG method, and I need help to find my PID and SID, please ^.^"

    I just caught a fully legit Shiny Aldino in Pokémon Black Version playing in a DS Lite.

    Its nature is Mild and it is in the Lv 50 (never battle with it)
    It is Highly Curious

    It has:

    HP: 167
    Attack: 70
    Defense: 91
    Sp. Attack: 84
    Sp. Defense: 101
    Speed: 56

    Possible IVs:

    HP: 8-9
    Attack: 10-11
    Defense: 22-23
    Sp. Attack: 24-25
    Sp. Defense: 20-21
    Speed: 2-3

    Can you please help me? It took about 3 years since the last shiny from now, and this is the opportunity that I sought for so long! Thank you in advance! ^.^
  17. PokeMontoya

    PokeMontoya New Member

    First, you need download the latest version of rng reporter. Just search for rng reporter, they'll have a download for you!

    Second, you need to find your mac address, it's in the wireless settings on your ds. The same place you would enter your wifi passwords and such.

    Third, you need to sync the ds with rng reporter.

    What you need for this step:
    A time.
    To be saved in a place that has no moving npc's(trainers, nurse joy, etc.).
    A pokemon that knows the move sweet scent.
    Pokeballs! (Or any kind of ball, you'll be catching a pokemon.)

    Go into rng reporter, find a button on it called parameters search(or something of the sort). There, enter which game you have, what kind of ds you have (rng only works for ds/ds lite models), your mac address and a random time in the game. ( for instance 13:13:26)

    Now, go into the ds's time settings and change the time to a little bit before the time you just chose for the rng reporter. 13:13:00, that's what I would do! Now, restart your ds, make sure the time setting on the ds is right and go to the white menu where you choose which game to play. Which the ds clock reaches your exact given time, in this case 13:13:26, press A.

    When the chance comes up, do no turn on your c gear.

    You should be saved in a place where you get wild pokemon where there are no moving npcs, from there, don't take any steps and use sweet scent. Catch that pokemon. (The higher the level the better.) Now calculate its ivs. Use metalkid's iv calculator, not sereibii's, because it gives you a range. Enter those ivs into rng reporter and make sure you entered everything in each box and press search.

    The only result that matters is the actual seconds, however far off it is, is how far off you need to adjust the given time rng reporter will give you. (for instance if the actual seconds are 25 and you entered 26, on a new frame time that was 1:24:28, you'd press A on the menu screen at 1:24:27).

    Once the search is done, close that window and go back to the other window. You'll be using non cgear abuse. Method 5, I believe. Entering a nature won't matter. Put the max frame at something like 10, enter the IVs you want and whether a pokemon is stationary or wild. (For my example, ill do a stationary pokemon!)

    Search for the frames. You may need to change the month where you are searching a couple times to find a low enough frame and if you do, you need to change that in your ds's time settings as well. The seeding will tell you the date to enter, along with the time.

    Let's pretend we found a seed. August 15, 2011 at 2:24:18, frame: 6.

    You start out at frame 1, with one pokemon in your party.
    For each on you add to your party, it adjusts the frame by 1. (Max out at 5 pokemon in your party, because you need space for your new friend).
    To adjust the frame, afterwards, you need to walk 128 steps in game.

    You will probably need max repels, lots of them.

    Save in front of said pokemon, and press A at that given time, for this example, our actual seconds were one behind, so I will press A at 2:24:17 with 5 pokemon in my party. When the game comes up, I don't turn on my cgear and I walk 128 steps and then I talk to the pokemon. Then I catch it. Check its ivs. The should be exactly what I wanted!

    The nature is probably not what you want. There are two similar ways to get the nature you want. I will tell you one way. Because the other way could take you years to do..

    Get a pokemon with the syncronize ability and the nature you want. It's okay if it is fainted, btw. This gives you a 50% chance of getting your nature.

    So, go through the same process as earlier...

    Restart the ds, press A at your time, adjust the frame with the pokemon and 128 steps however many times you need to do so, but this time, save in front of the pokemon. That will change the pid frame (which will change the nature, but not the ivs). Now catch it again!

    If the nature isn't right, do it again, except save 2 times.
    Not right again? Save 3 times, and so on and so forth.

    By the end of your saving, you should have the perfect pokemon.
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 29, 2011
  18. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    I've been trying to calibrate my game to RNG Reporter today. I hit 2 different Timer0 twice each. I got two Delibird that were exactly the same and two Sneasel which were exactly the same. These are the Pokés I encountered:

    Actual Seconds: 32 Timer0: C7F Seed: BE834721739D7285

    Actual Seconds: 31 TImer0: C7E Seed: 18781232D7BC024A

    Actual Seconds: 32 Timer0: C7E Seed: D47A2DFDBF54BD9E

    Actual Seconds: 32 Timer0: C7F Seed: BE834721739D7285

    Actual Seconds: 31 Timer0: C7E Seed: 18781232D7BC024A

    The VCount is 60 for all 5, the GXStat is 6 for all 5 and so is the VFrame.

    Am I doing something wrong? If so, what is it? Please help.

    Thanks in Advance!:thumb:
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2011
  19. AyameHikaru

    AyameHikaru New Member

    It doesn't look like you've done anything wrong.

    The VCount, GXStat, and VFrame will 99% of the time be 60/6/6 if you have a retail cart. Congratulations! Your game's not fake. XD That's really all that gives you.

    Your delay is a little troublesome - it looks like it's between 1 and 2 seconds. It's usually 1, so maybe you're hitting your mark a little slow? I hit right just as it switches over to the next second.

    Your Timer0 is the important part. It always varies between two numbers. So for you, it's C7E and C7F. Usually one of the numbers is more common than the other. Honestly, I'd calibrate a few more times to see which one pops up more. Other than that, you've got the values you need.
  20. pkmn202

    pkmn202 New Member

    Oh, ok, thanks AyameHikaru.
    I found out that my Timer0 is C7F (or so I think it is). I'm now trying to find my ISF, the guide I'm using isn't really helping as I don't understand what it means. Could someone please tell me how to find the ISF (Initial Shiny Frame) in the simplest way possible?

    Thanks in Advance!:thumb:

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