Possible GG counter? Speedgon

Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by Prize_Card, Mar 3, 2008.

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  1. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Hi guys, I was just messing with my brian and thought of a cool idea that might counter gg.


    Pokemon: 21

    3 pachirisu
    3-2-3 Flygon ex d
    2-2 altaria d
    2 holon's castform
    2-2 claydol

    Trainers: 24

    4 Bebe's
    4 rare candy
    3 Holon adventurer
    2 Roseanne's research
    2 lake boundry
    2 crystal beach
    2 night maintanence
    2 team galactics wager
    2 warp point
    1 scott
    1 stevens advice/copycat

    Energy: 15

    15 psychic


    Strategy: Start with pachi, get all the main basics that you need on your bench.. Try to get a t2 altaria and flygon ex set up on your bench.. Then start one hitting gallades with lake boundry. Crystal beach is a nice add-on too because it stops there major DRE usage. I made this list pretty quick, comment and let me know if I missed anything, Thanks!
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2008
  2. 1 cyclone energy maybe two. 1 buffer piece maybe two.
     
  3. Dendrobatida

    Dendrobatida New Member

    You get to mess with your brian? That's cool. Mine is a lazy punk who can't take a joke.

    At least a 1-1 claydol, in lieu of the fearow.

    2 Unown G aren't a bad idea.

    Bebe's search are infinitely better for your needs than professor elm's training method, if that's the professor elm's to which you allude.
     
  4. ~Blazi-King~

    ~Blazi-King~ New Member

    Wynaut Bebe's Search instead of Prof Elm Training Method?

    EDIT: Beat me to the Punch Dendro: :biggrin:
     
  5. Nu Gundam

    Nu Gundam New Member

    Why not have a 1-1 Cloyster d line? Its Solid Shell PokeBody makes your benched delta Pokemon laughs at Bring Down, Flame Bluster, and other sniping attacks ...
     
  6. Ignatious

    Ignatious New Member

    I suggest finding a consistant build that has either and even, slightly higher, or slightly lower matchup against G&G and Magmortar, THEN ad techs and more complicated strats. Tossing in techs to a fresh deck will be bad for deck editing.

    Also, there is no need for Holon Mentor in the deck, as you have Pachirisu as your starter, you could argue that if you don't start with Pachi, you need Mentor for backup, however, I believe that Roseanne's fits that use perfectly, as it is not a dead draw if you do start with your preffered starter. Holon Adventurer also does not have a spot in this deck. When you're setting up, you'll want to keep every delta pokemon you come across for setup, whether it be Trapinch, Alteria EX, or Fearow, you'll not want to drop it. There is no delta pokemon in the deck that can be 'safely' discarded for that extra draw. I suggest dropping the Adventurer for Steven's Advice.
     
  7. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    So you guys are saying 1-1 claydol over ferow d? The deck right now is pretty consitent. I dont know if I could fit in a dugtrio cg, or clyoster d. That would be a tech. I guess Ill use bebes, cause it gets basics too:). if you guys can find room for the techs you suggested let me know.
     
  8. Nu Gundam

    Nu Gundam New Member

    Here's what I have thought of so far ...

    Pokemon x22

    3x Pachirisu
    2x Holon's Castform
    1x Chimecho d
    3-2-3 Flygon EX d
    2-2 Altaria EX d
    1-1 Fearow d
    1-1 Cloyster d

    Trainers: x24

    4x Bebe's
    4x Rare Candy
    3x Roseanne's Research
    3x Holon Adventurer
    2x Lake Boundry
    2x Copycat
    2x Night Maintanence
    2x Warp Point
    1x Scott
    1x Crystal Beach

    Energy x14

    14x Psychic

    However, IFF you want more diversity, you can always scrap the Altaria EX d line to make it a 4-2-3-2 (EX) Flygon delta line, add a Ray EX d and change the energy into Psychic, Electric, and delta Rainbow
     
  9. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Nu Gundam, thanks for a good list! Ill probaly take some of your ideas and add them them into the original list. If I added the flygon deltas, and stuff, Im afriad that It would slow the deck down. Also does clystor d say prevent all affects of an attack?


    Updated list.
     
  10. toby N

    toby N New Member

    instead of the 1-1 cloyster just play mew *
     
  11. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

    How does adding a pokemon to power up your entire deck faster SLOW your deck down?
    Also yes, cloyster prevents bring down.
     
  12. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    ^ It could potentioly slow it down because you ussualy want flygon ex t2, and flygon required 2 diffrent types.. With altaria and flygon its only using one rare candy. The only reason I would add it in would be for t he resistence against gallade.
     
  13. Flygon999

    Flygon999 New Member

    Hmmm........ I suppose this is a very good deck to beat G&G.

    -2 Altaria ex
    -2 Swablu
    -1 Crystal Beach (not so good when you got castform and you might need Lake Boundry more)

    now to add in..........

    +1 Trapinch
    +2 Flygon HP (I think this is a better energy getter outer than Altaria ex becausehe evolves from Trapinch)
    +1 Mew * (a very good tech for Mag and a good starter if they have a Pachi which you can copy)
    +1 more Steven's Advice (this is my favorite drawing card now that there's so many Pachi's)
     
  14. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    I like altaria in the deck, because it can one hit a magmorter also with lake boundry out.. The crystal beach is amazing, and I'll barely ever use castform as energy... I like altaria too because it doesnt require rare candy's or trapinches...
     
  15. Dendrobatida

    Dendrobatida New Member

    I see no reason whatsoever why you couldn't run both altaria EX and flygon HP. Extra energy attach is never redundant, particularly when either makes for a decent backup hitter.

    I'll re-stress the need for unown G.
     
  16. Viva piñata

    Viva piñata Active Member

    pc you really want to counter my deck dont you...
     
  17. Ho Megas Alexandros

    Ho Megas Alexandros New Member

    you want to attack once with vibrava sw.... makes flygon's attacks better.
     
  18. Prize_Card

    Prize_Card New Member

    Dustin, It's not your deck, lol.. Tons of people are going to be playing it at regionals and nats.. Im either gonna find an amazing counter, that works for other decks too. Or use GG myself..
     
  19. Viva piñata

    Viva piñata Active Member

    hmmm okay just checking...
     
  20. MrMeches

    MrMeches New Member

    Pokemon: 22

    3 pachirisu
    4-2-3-3 Flygon (ex) d
    2 holon's castform
    1-1 Fearow d
    1-1 cloyster D (no bring down, magmorter.)
    1 UNOWN G (No Sonic Blade to bring the HP down so fast!)

    Trainers: 24

    1 scott
    2 Roseanne's research
    4 Bebe's
    3 Holon ADventurer
    2 team galactics wager
    1 stevens advice

    4 rare candy
    2 lake boundry
    2 night maintanence
    2 warp point
    1 TSD


    Energy: 14

    14 psychic

    I went more str8 forward and Aggro on this list. I took out Crystal Beach though I know it was for Blissey, but you should be able to handle that quickly! Unown G is a must have IMHO do to the EX factor and also Gallade not being able to Blade you! This card is just sick for Exes!

    Nice idea and glad to see someone still trying it out!!
     
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